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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I'm a 5 year old boy.

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567fedup · 28/07/2021 13:11

Feeling depressed. What the hell is the point of education?
We have a 15 year old house guest from Germany. Goes to a grammar school and is bright and interested in things.
I gave her the Youtube video to watch which shows a man asking American university students about whether they believe him if he (a medium height 40 year white old man) tells them that he's a completely different type of person. She watched it and then told me she would have believed the man. I asked her if she would believe me if I, a middle-aged woman, told her I was a 5 year old boy. She said she would. If I say I am a 5 year old boy, then I am.
Does the human species deserve to survive?

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Keepitonthedownlow · 29/07/2021 09:50

It's the postmodernist idea that there's no such thing as material reality isn't it? But I'm sure that while subjectiveness exists, it's been confused into thinking that you have to abandon all attempts at objective reality. And it's seen as being 'cool' to not give a damn about truth or facts.

In the words of the late, great Magdalen Berns "They're so open minded their brains have fallen out"

Datun · 29/07/2021 09:57

For those who want to call this barking, nuts, and are fondly imagining the girl eye rolling, the girl and her mother both asked the OP to discuss a book the girl is studying.

This mostly consists of a chapter of a textbook, about teenagers. This includes a section on whether it's better to be a girl or a boy, with quotes from teenagers talking about things like sexual and appearance pressures and discrimination, with the majority saying that it's better to be a boy. It's in the context of a discussion about this that we discussed the trans issue and the fact that recent research in many UK schools found that sexual harassment and the use of porn was rife,

Despite being a bright girl, the girl in question is under the impression that if a middle-aged man says he is an elderly Chinese woman she must agree.

She has been taught to deny the sex of a man. This is a safeguarding issue. Discussing this with the girl, isn't.

CharlieParley · 29/07/2021 20:52

From my experience, 567fedup the doctrine of gender identity is flourishing in Germany, but the resistance is in its infancy.

I have had several conversations recently about what's going on in the UK with Germans (prisons, refuges and rape crisis centres, enforced pronoun declarations, the judge's bench book etc) and the response has been complete shock and denial that anything like this could be going on in Germany.

As the conversations unfolded however, we got to the fact that they knew a child who was transitioning, to the universal existence of gender identity in everyone, to people know themselves best, gender dysphoria is not a mental health issue, no one could be wrong about this particular identity, pronouns are just kind etc etc.

At some point in the last conversation, two mid-teen girls joined in, clearly much more familiar with the tenets of the doctrine of gender identity than their parents. I stopped talking when they came in and left the decision as to whether to change the subject to their mother, who was happy to continue.

Unfortunately, I don't know the subject terminology in German as well as in English and I could have explained some things better I now realise, but nonetheless, with everyone comfortable to discuss the issue, I proceeded to question those tenets. I started by saying that in my opinion cis is an insult. And then explained my reasons.

And while I wish I had been more eloquent and had asked the girls more questions to give them a chance to explain their understanding of gender identity and so on, I am glad we had that chat. They heard someone question the doctrine who they are not simply inclined to dismiss as transphobic. They critically examined both my claims and that of the ideology with which they are so familiar. They may well still conclude that I am transphobic given what they have been taught, but then again, they may not. They simply had never heard any of the arguments I made.

So I don't know what the girls might have said in response to that YouTube video, 567fedup but I wouldn't despair about the state of education in Germany just yet.

They've very much been taught that an extremely small number of people have gender dysphoria and society must adjust to protect those few, including indulging their beliefs and playing along. And why would you not if you want to be kind and there are so few and they're all vulnerable. It doesn't cost you anything, does it?

But when I suggested a few ways in which it costs us, and them, and some of those vulnerable people themselves, they were willing to listen and question their own beliefs.

What was interesting for me was that once the girls left, the parents then started talking about gay friends who were not happy with what's happening in the LGBT scene, especially their local version of Pride and the wholly inappropriate fetishes paraded at what is advertised as a family day. They may not have been exposed to any radical feminists like me, but their gay friends had not held back about their unhappiness about queer theory based boundary violations happening in Germany.

Given how many years it took to raise awareness in the UK, I would expect that it will take a few years in Germany, too. But based on the conversations I've had, it will happen.

secondbellini · 29/07/2021 22:12

‘This! Jazz Jennings and family have made a fortune out of discussing a kid's genitals in a long running TV show!’

Is the treatment of Jazz Jennings the bar against which treatment of children should be judged? I hope not.

CakeandCuddles · 29/07/2021 22:57

The German school system used to be very thorough on human classification lessons, I wonder when that ended

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