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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I'm a 5 year old boy.

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567fedup · 28/07/2021 13:11

Feeling depressed. What the hell is the point of education?
We have a 15 year old house guest from Germany. Goes to a grammar school and is bright and interested in things.
I gave her the Youtube video to watch which shows a man asking American university students about whether they believe him if he (a medium height 40 year white old man) tells them that he's a completely different type of person. She watched it and then told me she would have believed the man. I asked her if she would believe me if I, a middle-aged woman, told her I was a 5 year old boy. She said she would. If I say I am a 5 year old boy, then I am.
Does the human species deserve to survive?

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567fedup · 28/07/2021 21:02

Jules - hard to believe that you've bothered to read the thread either.

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PamDenick · 28/07/2021 21:04

If you’re a 5 year old boy, ask her if she’ll sit on your bed and read you a story tonight. Milk and cookies would be great too!

Night night, sleep tight...

567fedup · 28/07/2021 21:04

The girl is not a spokesperson for Germany, but she obviously does give us some evidence of how far transgender ideology has travelled. Which is relevant on this section of MN.

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567fedup · 28/07/2021 21:05

I'm not a 5 year old boy. And boys who say they are girls are not girls. That's kind of the point...

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567fedup · 28/07/2021 21:09

I'd really like to get an answer to this question, if anyone would oblige?

So if you are a single parent - a father - and are a transwoman, would you enter into a language exchange for your child with a teenage girl, putting yourself forward as a woman? Do you really think that's ok?

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567fedup · 28/07/2021 21:10

And what if you're a single mum but have a visitor staying that week - a transwoman? Do you assure the parents, when they ask you, that you're a single sex household?

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Illogicalmadness · 28/07/2021 21:30

I'd buy her th3e Helen Joyce book as a leaving gift www.waterstones.com/book/trans/helen-joyce/9780861540495 Trans: When ideology becomes reality]]

Mockolate · 28/07/2021 21:37

I'm trying to imagine the mum talking about this when I went on a French exchange at that age.
I'd probably think her absolutely barking!
The whole exchange you describe sounds to me like she was just smiling and nodding along whilst internally she's mentally backing slowly out of the room Grin
Seriously just sounds a completely weird conversation to (what, naturally?) just come up and discuss, and now we've got people saying give her a book as she goes home as well, to what, take home and digest?
It's sounding kind of like the religious foisting views on you and leaflets as well now (well, in the form of a book)
Just.... yeah.... weird all round.
*and yes I have read the thread)

Illogicalmadness · 28/07/2021 21:40

What amazes me is that most people who believe in gender ideology aren't usually big believers in God. So if they don't believe in religion because it's an ideology then why do they believe in gender ideology? Both are seen as social constructions so why is one more plausible then the other. Why is it that some humans reject a religious faith but also believe humans can change sex? It is mental.

dyslek · 28/07/2021 21:41

Gosh isent it strange how so many posters who are infavour of children deciding on life altering medial experiments have suddenly become so coy about teenagers having conversations about current events with adults?

Blibbyblobby · 28/07/2021 21:42

and yes I have read the thread)

I don't think you can have, since the OP clarified exactly how the conversation naturally came up.

Unless... perhaps if one identifies as having read a thread, that's considered functionally equivalent to having actually read it?

dyslek · 28/07/2021 21:44

The religion thing interests me too. Some people think the decline in religious observance is why so many people in the west fall for idologies. There is a religion shaped hole in society, and faith in genderism is filling it for some.

Chickenyhead · 28/07/2021 21:50

@Blibbyblobby

and yes I have read the thread)

I don't think you can have, since the OP clarified exactly how the conversation naturally came up.

Unless... perhaps if one identifies as having read a thread, that's considered functionally equivalent to having actually read it?

Grin
567fedup · 28/07/2021 21:51

So no-one is prepared to say whether it's okay / ethical to tell the parents of a potential teenage girl visitor that you are an all women household, when one person in the household is a full biological male transwoman? That's interesting.

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Illogicalmadness · 28/07/2021 21:54

I would tell the parents that it's a mixed household and not a single sex household.

ChewtonRoad · 28/07/2021 22:09

And what if you're a single mum but have a visitor staying that week - a transwoman? Do you assure the parents, when they ask you, that you're a single sex household?
I would not say it's a single sex household because the fact is that it's not. Should the parents ask I'd tell them the truth about my other guest, a transwoman who is a fully intact natal male. Lying about reality would be beneficial to no one.

I know 15 year olds have heard of porn, I know 15 year olds will not admit to discomfort to be polite, and I would not talk to someone else’s daughter about porn or similar because it is inappropriate.

I don't think it's necessarily inappropriate. If a 15 year old young woman was trying to sort out her thoughts about porn and its impact on her as a young woman and if she asked me for my views I'd be honest with her.

At that age I'd have been secretly thrilled that someone was willing to listen to my opinion and engage in a discussion rather than dismiss me as a child who knew fuck-all or (worse) "didn't need to know about that" under the "it will never happen" fib/banner popular in my youth.

secondbellini · 28/07/2021 22:10

No, it isn’t okay to say you are a single sex household if you are not. Some kids would only be able to stay in single sex households.

secondbellini · 28/07/2021 22:16

‘I don't think it's necessarily inappropriate. If a 15 year old young woman was trying to sort out her thoughts about porn and its impact on her as a young woman and if she asked me for my views I'd be honest with her.’

Yes, there are rare situations in which it would be appropriate. There will be situations where someone’s been abused and is trying to find a trusted adult to confide in. There will be situations like you say where someone is trying to work through their feelings on a topic. But in general, you follow the child’s lead on what they want to bring up around sex and sexual abuse not introduce elements and topics that they haven’t mentioned.

secondbellini · 28/07/2021 22:20

‘Why is it that some humans reject a religious faith but also believe humans can change sex? It is mental.’

Because the religious ideas are what has formed the culture, so gender ideology is what people have moved on to.

TheBurmundseyIndustrialEstate · 28/07/2021 22:46

I'm trying to imagine the mum talking about this when I went on a French exchange at that age.
I'd probably think her absolutely barking
!

Why are you so hung up on them having a conversation about this, what do you think are ‘appropriate’ conversations?

sailmeaway · 29/07/2021 07:36

I'm trying to imagine the mum talking about this when I went on a French exchange at that age.
I'd probably think her absolutely barking
!

Why are you so hung up on them having a conversation about this, what do you think are ‘appropriate’ conversations?"

I'd find it a bit nuts that another parent on an exchange was talking to my child about gender identity, giving her a hard time and foisting her opinions on her.

sailmeaway · 29/07/2021 07:40

I'd also hazard a guess that this child, and she is a child still at 15 BTW, isn't in a position to speak for all German teens...

EdgeOfACoin · 29/07/2021 07:43

A lot of people seem to have read the thread without fully comprehending it.

The OP has been clear as to how the conversation came up, the level of engagement of the 15-year-old and the student's fluidity in English.

As usual, there is little response to the actual points raised and a lot of faux naivete and insinuations about the OP's motives.

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Pretaxanger · 29/07/2021 09:47

@dyslek

Gosh isent it strange how so many posters who are infavour of children deciding on life altering medial experiments have suddenly become so coy about teenagers having conversations about current events with adults?
This! Jazz Jennings and family have made a fortune out of discussing a kid's genitals in a long running TV show!
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