How is it "gender critical" to impose rigid binary social categories based on sex?

[CuriousPanda]

For most of history, the whole point of feminism was to oppse sex-based segregation and restrictions that were imposed by patriarchal society.

So I don't see how supporting strict gender categories, and simply calling them "sex-based" instead, in any way leans itself to "gender abolition".

One might get impression that "gender" is simply being used to mean trans people existing, and "gender abolition" simply means restricting trans people from being able to transition and use different gender labels. And basically nothing else.

With "sex-based rules and restrictions" being basically just gender roles but trans-proofed.

[midgemagneto]

Yes the same op who was berrating us for imposing gender binaries

[Chickenyhead]

I am a woman by sex. Not gender.

You are bullying me.

Stop

[CuriousPanda]

I'm not declaring your gender at all, you just lash out at me whenever I accurately point out you are declaring your gender.

[CuriousPanda]

@Chickenyhead

I am a woman by sex. Not gender.

You are bullying me.

Stop

There's no such thing as "woman by sex", the mere act assigning the label of "woman", whether you base it on sex or not, is gender.

[Chickenyhead]

I don't have a gender. Agender.

I asked you to stop misgendering me.

[midgemagneto]

I am not declaring gender if I say I am a woman

If I am talking to people who do not use the word woman to mean sex then I don't agree that I am a woman

Get over it

[irresistibleoverwhelm]

you obstinate tedious disingenuous tool

I think we have a winner in the projection stakes today

[Chickenyhead]

The law is not on your side. Nor is reality.

You should see your GP.

I am a woman by sex. No gender.

[midgemagneto]

We think woman means sex female

You don't

We can see you mean something different to us

You can't

[irresistibleoverwhelm]

And in Britain, cis women are at the forefront of a campaign to restrict the bodily autonomy of others

No labelling and misgendering going on here, Panda? Or is it just okay if it's your own hypocrisy?

[midgemagneto]

Ooh they were long words

Wonder if the op knows what they mean

[CuriousPanda]

This whole discourse would be so much frustrating if you had simply agreed that "woman" and "man" are gender identities (which they literally are), and that you simply believe that these identities should be assigned strictly by sex.

At least it would be more honest, instead of this endless perpetual rhetorical game.

[Soontobe60]

I do not have a gender. I am a woman, it’s my sex.

[Chickenyhead]

@CuriousPanda

This whole discourse would be so much frustrating if you had simply agreed that "woman" and "man" are gender identities (which they literally are), and that you simply believe that these identities should be assigned strictly by sex.

At least it would be more honest, instead of this endless perpetual rhetorical game.

Because they were sexes long before gender identity even existed.

Where were you educated?

[midgemagneto]

You can have bodily autonomy provided

1. you are old enough to understand what you are doing
   
   
2. it's only your body that is affected
   
   Given those conditions , We don't care one hoot

[CuriousPanda]

@Chickenyhead

I don't have a gender. Agender.

I asked you to stop misgendering me.

If you are agender then you are not a woman. 🤷

[irresistibleoverwhelm]

There's no such thing as "woman by sex", the mere act assigning the label of "woman", whether you base it on sex or not, is gender.

It's eternally tedious to argue sophistry with teenagers. You're talking absolute rubbish, and what's more you know it.

[Soontobe60]

@CuriousPanda

This whole discourse would be so much frustrating if you had simply agreed that "woman" and "man" are gender identities (which they literally are), and that you simply believe that these identities should be assigned strictly by sex.

At least it would be more honest, instead of this endless perpetual rhetorical game.

Well, Panda, why should we agree with you? Just because you tell us to? That’s a bit arrogant of you.
Please, describe to me what a woman ‘gender identity’ looks like. (or a man one for that matter)

[dyslek]

On an entirely unrelated note has anyone ever noticed what a male trait obsessive behaviour is.
I know a guy atm irl who has a personality disorder, and the obsessive nature of his communications is very pronounced.
He writtes pages and pages of A4 and nails them to trees because he thinks the neighbours walking their dog past his window is a plot against him.
I guess its probably sad, but he is a massive pain in the ass.
I advise the whole street to steer well clear, as even a couple of words and you end up with hours and hours of crazy paranoia.
Ahh, there really is nowt so queer as folk.

[CuriousPanda]

@midgemagneto

I am not declaring gender if I say I am a woman

If I am talking to people who do not use the word woman to mean sex then I don't agree that I am a woman

Get over it

It doesn't matter what you are "referring to" the fact remains that "woman" is a cultural and social identity that you're simply gatekeeping based on specific criteria.

It doesn't change its nature as a cultural and social identity.

[OldCrone]

If you were considered a certain gender/sex since birth ("man"/"boy", "woman"/"girl"), and still call yourself that now, you are cis.

When you say 'woman', do you mean adult female human or something else? If you mean woman meaning adult human female that means everyone is 'cis', including those who identify as trans, since people can't change sex.

Or do you have a different definition of woman as some sort of 'gender identity'? I wouldn't say I had a 'gender identity' of woman, since I don't believe in gender identity, so I can't be 'cis' using your definition of 'woman'.

So either everyone must be 'cis', whether they identify as trans or not, making it a redundant term, or 'cis' only applies to the small number of adult human females who also believe they have a gender identity of 'woman'.

And since everyone should be believed when they declare their gender identity or that they don't have one, you should believe those of us who say we are not 'cis'.

[midgemagneto]

So which toilets does the agende person use?

How will a doctor know whether an x ray is safe for an agender person?

Do you think that being agender will make them distinguishable to men when it comes to rape ?