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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Does anyone ever wonder how this will end?

609 replies

dyslek · 12/07/2021 21:22

I can see three scenarios.

  1. women lose and we end up living in some nightmarish high tec version of ancient Rome, where woman and children is a sub human resource to be exploited in anyway a man wants at an given moment.
  2. the mass hysteria quietly dies down and every kind of pretents this was never a thing (and in fact it was only those nasty feminists making a fuss that caused all this misunderstanding in the first place).
  3. due to the sheer insanity of gender idology, society slowly starts to listen to women and the horror of the unfairness wakes everyone up to womans humanity and gender stereotypes and finally totally abandoned and we all live happly ever after.
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DialSquare · 16/07/2021 12:48

They always show themselves eventually

CuriousPanda · 16/07/2021 12:49

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AssassinatedBeauty · 16/07/2021 12:52

Deletion is not automatic. After consideration, I think they should remain as wonderful examples of the response to women discussing.

CuriousPanda · 16/07/2021 12:53

@Keepemguessing
There is nothing factually wrong in what I said and I will continue to use 'transwomen'.

You will continue to be a transphobic bigot, I know. And that's why trans people will continue to oppose you.

AssassinatedBeauty · 16/07/2021 12:53

"cissy" is such an interesting choice of insult...

Keepemguessing · 16/07/2021 12:54

Cry harder Curious.

I'm not a prop for others identity and refuse to use compelled speech.

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 16/07/2021 12:54

I am a normal woman with compassion.

I don’t agree with your ‘adjective’.

For me it is offensive.

Blibbyblobby · 16/07/2021 12:56

@AssassinatedBeauty

I'm torn between reporting that post and not doing so to let it stand in all its unpleasantness. The absolute rage at women not doing what they are told and using the proscribed language.
It's textbook isn't it. They very idea that female people should be allowed to draw their own boundaries and say for themselves who they are triggers incoherent rage.
MellieBellie · 16/07/2021 12:56

I guess I'd be frustrated if I'd spent the last few evenings berating women in a foreign
country on a feminist board, only for every single point to be refuted with witty and intelligent rebuttals.

It appears that we're another group of women that will not sit down and be 'educated' by Panda.

FWIW Panda, I think you would be happier (and you'd certainly have more free time) if you accepted that your beliefs surrounding gender are simply that - a set of beliefs. They're no more authoritative or 'real' than any other ideological position. You are free to believe them, however others have a different set of beliefs. No one needs to be converted. Your behaving like an evangelical Christian, which is odd because that's the accusation that you've made several times on this board.

Waitwhat23 · 16/07/2021 13:01

You've not been civil at any point. You have peddled lies without a basis in evidence, insisted that we not be allowed to use the words and terminology used by society historically and correctly to describe ourselves, instead insist that we use invented terminology which we have told you is insulting, and now you've moved on to swearing at the people on here because we won't capitulate to your nonsense.

Women are saying no. You can stamp your feet and have a tantrum as much as you like but we are saying no.

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 16/07/2021 13:02

If someone wants to believe something then that is on them.

What they shouldn’t do is to try and foist that belief on others.

Skybluepinkgiraffe · 16/07/2021 13:04

Quite honestly, I think climate change is likely to make us extinct if we don't get on to that in a meaningful way, and the trans/GC debate will become irrelevant.
But otherwise, I imagine that the light that is now being shone on these issues, given that it's now being discussed in mainstream news, will make more average folk see what's going on.
Hopefully we can live with trans people living their lives without discrimination, and women retaining their safe spaces.
I'm not sure the very aggressive TRAs are furthering their cause, and that'll be their undoing.

joolzfromyork · 16/07/2021 13:04

@CuriousPanda

Now now chuck ...
if you can't play nicely ... better not to play at all

(and talking to people in that manner just makes them less likely to engage respectfully with people like me ... so yeah ... just don't do it 'k?)

BatmansBat · 16/07/2021 13:07

That escalated quickly….

PurpleHoodie · 16/07/2021 13:11

"Women just won't shut up. Wahhh"

That's quite correct.

Faceicle · 16/07/2021 13:11

Panda's posting style is quite distinctive. I have no idea why panda has turned up to bother mumsnet but panda seems quite unsettled despite the regular assertion of lols. I'm sorry for you panda, mate. I really am.

PurpleHoodie · 16/07/2021 13:13

"WOMEN SHUT UUUUUUUUPPP. STOP TALKING TO EACH OTHER!!!"

No.

Megasausagehead · 16/07/2021 13:14

Woweee

Sissy is such a...transphobic slur.

Shocking.

Naughty Panda, picking on those dastardly women.

ArabellaScott · 16/07/2021 13:15

@Marmaladee

4 please. End all this transphobia. Luckily it's mostly old people who read the daily Mail and like Piers Morgan so they'll die out
Sorry, hold on, are you actually being gleeful here at the prospect of people who hold differing views from yourself dying?

And you are certain that you are - let me just check- on the right side of history?

Do you think it's nice to wish death on people because they read a newspaper you dislike? Really?

RedDogsBeg · 16/07/2021 13:16

CuriousPanda Cry about it, cissy.

Interesting choice of slur, but as always failing to win the argument or provide coherent, provable, evidence always, always brings out the rage and abuse.

I know this post and the post before it are getting deleted, but honestly, I've tried being civil with you people, only for you to deflect with disingenuous word games and repeatedly misgender trans women.

you people, lovely. You have not been civil at all, all your posts hide a barely concealed rage that we don't agree with you and will not submit to your demands and invariably you then boil over and throw around the slurs, insults and abuse, you simply can't handle disagreement. No-one is 'misgendering' transwomen they are stating biological fact and reality.

Cis is also not a slur, it's a simple adjective, but again, you just hate trans people so much that you can't allow them any pretense of equality and normalcy. Like a homophobic bigot saying straight? it's just called being normal rather than a freak

Cis is not an adjective it is a prefix that you and others have decided arbitrarily to apply to the sex category of women in order to make women a sub set of their own sex category, we don't and won't accept it, if you can't handle that, which obviously you can't as you seem to believe that your word is law, tough.

You can't show basic compassion, respect, and consideration, so why the fuck should I have any for you?

That sentence applies to you and only you, you have no basic compassion, respect or consideration for women.

You cannot stand people disagreeing with you or refusing to submit to your demands, your whole ideology is totalitarian, you are determined to enforce and compel others to comply with it. I won't and I give not a flying fuck what you think of me or call me for not doing so.

Blibbyblobby · 16/07/2021 13:22

@Faceicle

Panda's posting style is quite distinctive. I have no idea why panda has turned up to bother mumsnet but panda seems quite unsettled despite the regular assertion of lols. I'm sorry for you panda, mate. I really am.
Interesting I thought that Panda seemed to know about the thread post limit despite only turning up recently.
Megasausagehead · 16/07/2021 13:24

If sex didn't exist, separate from gender, there would be no transwomen. None.

Transwomen are equal but entirely separate to women by sex (a protected characteristic).

Neither is superior. Neither gets to encroach on the rights of the other.

Separate safe spaces are needed and deserved.

Enough4me · 16/07/2021 13:48

They will come for the word female next.

What a weird world where we will have 'males and fe/males', because we know that men will be able to keep the word male just as they have kept the word man...female women know your place.

FloralBunting · 16/07/2021 13:48

Funniest self own meltdown in a while.

I particularly enjoyed the phrase used in the build up which was something like 'If you just agreed woth me that woman and man don't mean anything, everything would be fine'.

The argument that persuades us all, that one. Compelling.🤣

Imasoulman · 16/07/2021 13:57

I must have missed some deleted posts, but it sounds like someone was objecting to the descriptive word "transwomen " ?

I don't understand the problem with that, it's news to me !!
I have happily been describing myself as such since " transsexual" was side lined.

However I also notice "sissy" may have been used ??
Now that is offensive!