Does anyone ever wonder how this will end?

[dyslek]

I can see three scenarios.

1. women lose and we end up living in some nightmarish high tec version of ancient Rome, where woman and children is a sub human resource to be exploited in anyway a man wants at an given moment.
2. the mass hysteria quietly dies down and every kind of pretents this was never a thing (and in fact it was only those nasty feminists making a fuss that caused all this misunderstanding in the first place).
3. due to the sheer insanity of gender idology, society slowly starts to listen to women and the horror of the unfairness wakes everyone up to womans humanity and gender stereotypes and finally totally abandoned and we all live happly ever after.

To the poster who says they would have stood with us shoulder to shoulder and fought for single sex spaces if only we had asked nicely... women were called TERFS and bigots and evil for asking for a mixed sex third space and saying we would happily fight shoulder to shoulder with our trans brethren for this. This was like five years ago and running.

Don't fight for us please. Take your pity and conditions elsewhere. Please fight for Trans rights - Fight for a third space, fight for Stonewall to use it's massive budget to setup refuges etc. Make them accountable for fighting for making LGB & Trans people's lives better instead this weird thing they are doing of destroying everything they touch.

Regarding the future, I am very pessimistic. The freedom we have all had is a fleeting drop in the last 3-5000 years of history. It will get pushed back big time for us all non-default-men.

@Redapplewreath

There are also huge numbers of trans people who would stand shoulder to shoulder with you to fight for single sex spaces etc but a lot of feminists seem to view all trans people as an enemy.

I've seen the issues repeatedly and patiently explained to you every time you raise this point on many threads.

I do apologise for the poor experience of female socialisation you are still receiving on this matter from female people who insist on caring about and focusing on the needs and issues of female people instead of responsibly putting themselves aside to manage the bigger picture and other people's obviously important needs and feelings.

Always interesting though that it's only ever female people expected to step up in this way. Or to put others before themselves. Or to accept being spoken to like naughty children without losing their tempers and being rude in reply.

I don't really understand your point. I'm not asking for anything, I'm not asking to be validated by anyone.

I and many other people outside the feminist movement can see the injustice.
I and others do stand up and shout, sorry if you can't see past your prejudices and think about this clearly.

@SweetGrapes

To the poster who says they would have stood with us shoulder to shoulder and fought for single sex spaces if only we had asked nicely... women were called TERFS and bigots and evil for asking for a mixed sex third space and saying we would happily fight shoulder to shoulder with our trans brethren for this. This was like five years ago and running.

Don't fight for us please. Take your pity and conditions elsewhere. Please fight for Trans rights - Fight for a third space, fight for Stonewall to use it's massive budget to setup refuges etc. Make them accountable for fighting for making LGB & Trans people's lives better instead this weird thing they are doing of destroying everything they touch.

Regarding the future, I am very pessimistic. The freedom we have all had is a fleeting drop in the last 3-5000 years of history. It will get pushed back big time for us all non-default-men.

You have taken a post and completely twisted it to read differently. Well done 👏

Would someone tell me what is taught in Biology in schools?

That came out wrong I meant to say "Would someone please tell me about Biology in schools and what is taught".

@AntiWorkBrigade

Again we get the tired old comparison with the growing acceptance of non-het sexuality. The sort of trans acceptance that insists on TWAW / TMAM is nothing like this. Rejecting homophobia does not require the whole of society to reconfigure how its entire understanding of one of the fundamental concepts in nature, the sexual binary. It simply meant not holding judgemental views of certain behaviours and relationships.

Not being a homophobe does not require me to force myself to change how I view myself. I’ve never felt I was female in any way other than as a result of the body I have and the way society has treated me as a result. This is not a permitted view.

This is not straightforward like refraining from judging LGB people. It means buying into an entire philosophy which is mind-bendingly confusing and contradictory once you look behind mantras and the sense - that the majority of people have - that they want to be fair, kind and do the right thing.

Completely!

I've been mulling this over for a while, well not exactly this but near enough.

My view is dystopian based on the fact that all this trash is tied up with US tech companies. Everything is being politicised to the detriment of some groups such as women. These companies have so much cash that in the future they will bankroll all of those who agree with them. The rest will become and underclass who will eventually form a resistance and suddenly we'll have a star wars scenario. We will take our army of women (and like minded men) and blow up the supercomputers and put the likes of Mark Zuckerberg on trial for crimes against humanity. Traaaalaaa

I reckon your crystal ball has it highame

Speaking of dystopian outcomes, I remember reading this article 15 years ago and not knowing whether to be horrified at the suggestion or horrified at myself for possibly agreeing with the suggestion:

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6057734.stm

Apologies for the de-rail. As you were...

highame

I've been mulling this over for a while, well not exactly this but near enough.

My view is dystopian based on the fact that all this trash is tied up with US tech companies. Everything is being politicised to the detriment of some groups such as women. These companies have so much cash that in the future they will bankroll all of those who agree with them

This guy agrees with you:

Francis Aaron.

"Given the existence of detransitioners, that's highly unlikely." @NonnyMouse1337 The percentage of detransitioners is less than 1%

@BlueBerrySnek

"Given the existence of detransitioners, that's highly unlikely." *@NonnyMouse1337* The percentage of detransitioners is less than 1%

I'm doubtful of those figures. However, assuming it's true, so what? Trans people are a tiny fraction of the human population. I guess you would agree we should dismiss them as well if the experiences of detransitioners count for nothing in your ideology?

@BlueBerrySnek

"Given the existence of detransitioners, that's highly unlikely." *@NonnyMouse1337* The percentage of detransitioners is less than 1%

Evidence please. Thanks.

@NonnyMouse1337
Besides the fact that the liklehood for detransition is extremely low, Accepting trans people does not effect detransitioners at all. Nor does it effect you, the only people it effects are trans people. For trans people just simply accepting someones pronouns could be the difference between life and death. What I mean by this is that the percentage of trans people that attempt suicide is over 40%. If you don't trust my info you can search it up yourself.

@BlueBerrySnek "affect" not "effect" in all three of your uses.

The threat of suicide is not a good way to try to win an argument. Especially when that supposed "over 40%" figure comes from a thoroughly flawed and unreliable source.

'If you don't trust my info you can search it up yourself.'

If you make a claim, then the onus is on you to provide the evidence. We're aware that the mantras have morphed from 'no debate' to 'no evidence' but that doesn't fly here.

We don’t trust your “info” BlueBerrySnek and we have searched it up, and found it to be bullshit.

And it has been explained time and time again exactly how “accepting” biologically male trans people as women does affect us and impact us very negatively, but you obviously haven’t bothered to engage with those arguments because you’re still coming out with that fallacious guff that it doesn’t, so there’s no point in repeating them ad infinitum.

This isn’t one of those platforms where you can just come on and spout any old bollocks you like without any real evidence to back up your assertions. We expect real substance here, not baseless claims and heavily massaged “statistics”.

The women here have looked at this issue from every conceivable angle and we have found your narrative and your reliability to be very seriously wanting. Sorry. Not impressed.

@AssassinatedBeauty
The fact that the only thing you can find in my post to discredit is a grammar issue, tells me that I won the argument. If my source is unreliable then please by all means give me a source that says that trans people do not have that high of a suicide rate

If people are attempting suicide because other people don’t see them in the way they wish to be seen, because they are not what they wish to be seen as, then they need serious psychological intervention.

Yes.

@TalkingtoLangClegintheDark
I'd like your sources then

You all are literally doing the exact same thing you claim me to be doing

I made two points, @BlueBerrySnek. One is that using the threat of suicide is no way to win anyone over, in a debate or in real life. The second point I made is that it isn't true, I have "searched it up" and it is based on a flawed and unreliable source. You have made the claim, it's up to you to demonstrate that you aren't lying, exaggerating or relying on flawed data.

The point about your grammar was a simple dig that I couldn't resist, my apologies.

And what sources are you using to discredit my source?