Question re relationships with trans people

[2021ismyyear]

Twitter is full of people that are prepared to defend trans rights at any cost. I’ve seen some hideous things written about people that believe otherwise. The insults against jk Rowling were hard to read. We saw it the other day when maya won her appeal case. People over ran social media with insults against “TERFS” etc.

I assume these people would have zero issue dating a trans person in that case? If trans women are women and sex doesn’t matter and it’s widely accepted that you can switch gender, then will those people start dating trans people? Will we see more women dating trans men for example? Will tinder do away with any search filters?

If not… why?

What is a gender?

not
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adverb
used with an auxiliary verb or ‘be’ to form the negative.
"he would not say"

discuss
/dɪˈskʌs/
verb
talk about (something) with a person or people.
"I discussed the matter with my wife"

this
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determiner
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used to identify a specific person or thing close at hand or being indicated or experienced.
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Hope that helps!

Not really. Just looks like someone trying to evade a reasonable question. Sorry.

It's homophobic to insist gay people aren't gay, insisting you know their sexuality better than them. It's homophobic to act you're the sexuality police and you get to dictate who can and can't be what sexuality based on you forcing your beliefs on others.

No, it's not homophobic to use accurate wording, as per the protected characteristic of sexual orientation. It is homophobic to deny the existence of exclusive same sex attraction, and imply everyone who isn't bisexual is bigoted.

@dyslek

Not really. Just looks like someone trying to evade a reasonable question. Sorry.

I'm not interested in dealing with sea lions.

One cant escape the feeling that there are no good arguments on the genderist side, just childish games

@dyslek

You are denying gay peoples existance, and that is violence.

You do that to trans people all the time, and yet you wouldn't call that violence at all.

One cant escape the feeling that there are no good arguments on the genderist side, just childish games

Go with your gut, it isn't misleading you.

No, it's not homophobic to use accurate wording, as per the protected characteristic of sexual orientation. It is homophobic to deny the existence of exclusive same sex attraction, and imply everyone who isn't bisexual is bigoted.

It's not inaccurate wording to say that a gay man is a man attracted exclusively to other men.

I'd definitely say it's homophobic to minimize gay people to legal definitions of what being gay is supposed to mean, as if the law hasn't historically been discriminatory to gay people to begin with.

Insisting I demand everyone's bisexual is very much putting words in my mouth and forcing a bad faith narrative, especially as I'm gay myself.

So you are a man because "he" or "husband" or "guy".

Mmm. The sounds coming out of other people's mouths are your gender.

Well that's not very convincing.

Sorry Curious, you a someone who has such contempt for women you dont aknowledge child rape, you are beneith consideration in any debate.

It's not inaccurate wording to say that a gay man is a man attracted exclusively to other men.

Yes it is, if you are including people who are female in your description of "men".

It is not homophobic to disagree with your transphobic, invalidating (both to trans people and to trans-inclusive gay people) definitions of homosexuality.

@dyslek

Sorry Curious, you a someone who has such contempt for women you dont aknowledge child rape, you are beneith consideration in any debate.

Where are you getting the idea I "don't acknowledge child rape"...?

Your not gay.

So you are a man because "he" or "husband" or "guy".

No, but do keep playing the games I'm accused of playing.

I don't think people are too bothered about being labelled (yet again) as transphobic and invalidating by people describing same sex attraction as a pretence.

Yes it is homophobic to pretend that a gay man is anything other than a male solely attracted to others of the same biological sex. The word for men attracted to both sexes is bisexual.

You know the suffering and violence gay men have faced (and continue to face in many many places) and you think you can appropriate that?

@dyslek

You know the suffering and violence gay men have faced (and continue to face in many many places) and you think you can appropriate that?

Some of those very same men are telling you their attraction includes trans men, and you're the one talking over them telling them they're actually bisexual.

Because its trendy?

Because your feelz?

How do you think gay men feel about that?

Try to empathise with others less fortunate than yourself.

@dyslek

Because its trendy?

Because your feelz?

How do you think gay men feel about that?

Try to empathise with others less fortunate than yourself.

Quite a decent number of them are sick of you invalidating them and telling them they're actually "bisuxeual" just because they're not excluding trans men the way you think they "should" be doing.

Also, you try to emphasize with trans people for once. Do you think trans people do not face violence and abuse? Do you think you're doing anything except contributing to that?

You know the suffering and violence gay men have faced (and continue to face in many many places) and you think you can appropriate that?

Being hospitalized with a collapsed lung after being physically assaulted for being a (insert homophobic slurs here), removed from my house by relatives but put into my inbox on return from the hospital which lead to me moving for my safety and making sure never to bring up my sexuality have taught me, yes.

They never answer do they...

Your sexuality? you are a woman, who is attracted to men.

You are hetrosexual.