Question re relationships with trans people

[2021ismyyear]

Twitter is full of people that are prepared to defend trans rights at any cost. I’ve seen some hideous things written about people that believe otherwise. The insults against jk Rowling were hard to read. We saw it the other day when maya won her appeal case. People over ran social media with insults against “TERFS” etc.

I assume these people would have zero issue dating a trans person in that case? If trans women are women and sex doesn’t matter and it’s widely accepted that you can switch gender, then will those people start dating trans people? Will we see more women dating trans men for example? Will tinder do away with any search filters?

If not… why?

‘And what about people who are looking to procreate with their chosen partner, being fully transitioned isn't going to help there‘

So did you do a fertility check before getting with your partner?
Would it be a dealbreaker for you to leave a partner you loved?

Now that what passes for evidence round here is it?

I wasn't claiming this as 'evidence' - just reporting some real life gay male responses ...

I've asked various of my gay male friends about this, and one of them said to me quite bluntly "No, it's about cock for me."

Maybe do a poll on Twitter? A YouGov survey? "Gay Men: is it about cock, or are you equally happy with vadge?"

Thank goodness gay men have these hetero middle class cis women

There's a whole world of assumptions in this post.

I wasn't claiming this as 'evidence' - just reporting some real life gay male responses ...

I'm the only one here who has posted any non-anecdotal evidence on this thread to support my position, which Herrena seems to have missed.

@HerrenaHarridan the term 'cis' is not used here. Please read the guidelines.

I wonder why that is @Ereshkigalangcleg Evidence can be so pesky can't it ... ?

journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0265407518779139

The current study sought to describe the demographic characteristics of individuals who are willing to consider a transgender individual as a potential dating partner. Participants (N = 958) from a larger study on relationship decision-making processes were asked to select all potential genders that they would consider dating if ever seeking a future romantic partner. The options provided included cisgender men, cisgender women, trans men, trans women, and genderqueer individuals. Across a sample of heterosexual, lesbian, gay, bisexual, queer, and trans individuals, 87.5% indicated that they would not consider dating a trans person, with cisgender heterosexual men and women being most likely to exclude trans persons from their potential dating pool. Individuals identifying as bisexual, queer, trans, or non-binary were most likely to indicate a willingness to date a trans person.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4290007-Clownfish

But...clownfish.

@ShortBacknSides

I wonder why that is *@Ereshkigalangcleg* Evidence can be so pesky can't it ... ?

Evidence can be so peaky amrite?

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And eternal thanks to @PurpleHoodie for the Clownfish vid. I'm in lurve ...

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@Ereshkigalangcleg

I've asked various of my gay male friends about this, and one of them said to me quite bluntly "No, it's about cock for me."

Maybe do a poll on Twitter? A YouGov survey? "Gay Men: is it about cock, or are you equally happy with vadge?"

Why do you assume by default that we want vaginal stimulation, for one, and for two, why do you dehumanize us and make our entire existence solely 'a walking vagina'?

What is it that makes you a man Barheim?

Herenna

Gay male humans are sexually attracted to male humans.

To suggest that this is some kind of genital obsession is way out of line.

To reiterate. Gay male humans are still at risk around the world of violence, murder, arrest, imprisonment, execution.

If they are found to have had sexual intercourse with another male human.

These things happen because they like cock.

If dick is not a fundamental then why would they ever take those risks.

@ShortBacknSides

You don’t have to be attracted to anyone you aren’t attracted to.

Except that, at the moment, there is HUGE and growing pressure to bully & coerce lesbians into accepting transwomen as women, and abusing them when they say they are same-sex attracted.

This adds to the demoralising (and illegal) lesbophobia already experienced by many lesbian women.

And it's rapey as fuck.

Trans women are women, and they are not wholesale excluded from lesbian attraction. So yes, excluding them under the pretense of "same-sex attraction" is transphobic.

But no one's being "pressured" to bully or coerce to date anyone. You're free to reject any individual woman that you don't find attractive, and that includes trans women.

The point is that you should not make unsolicited transphobic commentary in the process, and doing so will spark criticism of your transphobia.

Lesbians are allowed to say who they want to sleep with without being called offensive names.
You are not the language/sex police.

Gay people only want sex with people who are the same sex as them, thats what the word means. Its homophobic to say otherwise.

the pretense of "same-sex attraction"

How very progressive.

You are denying gay peoples existance, and that is violence.

'Why do you assume by default that we want vaginal stimulation, for one, and for two, why do you dehumanize us and make our entire existence solely 'a walking vagina'?'

Because vaginal and / or stimulation is very important for sexual pleasure?

And that's the the reason that in more extreme forms of fgm the external part of the clitoris is cut out...

But no one's being "pressured" to bully or coerce to date anyone.

There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that that is simply not true.