Question re relationships with trans people

[2021ismyyear]

Twitter is full of people that are prepared to defend trans rights at any cost. I’ve seen some hideous things written about people that believe otherwise. The insults against jk Rowling were hard to read. We saw it the other day when maya won her appeal case. People over ran social media with insults against “TERFS” etc.

I assume these people would have zero issue dating a trans person in that case? If trans women are women and sex doesn’t matter and it’s widely accepted that you can switch gender, then will those people start dating trans people? Will we see more women dating trans men for example? Will tinder do away with any search filters?

If not… why?

If you've never questioned it, and never thought about being anything except what you were assigned at birth (female, girl, woman, etc.), then you're most likely cis, and that's it, you're the gender you were assigned birth.

What does 'cis' mean?

@NiceGerbil

'They are about gender, as imposed on people on the basis of sex.

Homophobic oppressors have that in common with you -- you both have no regard for self-identification, and force people to adhere to the categories you impose on them.'

Ok so

You argue that the laws globally/ through history banning same sex acts especially between men. Are not about the sex organs of the people who have sex.

You specifically state that anyone who takes gay/ lesbian to mean homosexual aka same sex attracted. Has the mindset as men in South Africa who kidnap torture gang rape murder. Lesbians who are out.

That's a strong stance to take.

Not being as violent as some other bigots doesn't mean you're not a bigot or not complicit in violent bigotry.

@OldCrone

If you've never questioned it, and never thought about being anything except what you were assigned at birth (female, girl, woman, etc.), then you're most likely cis, and that's it, you're the gender you were assigned birth.

What does 'cis' mean?

Identifying as the same gender as the one assigned at birth.

I have NO gender.

I am female sexed.

I am NOT cis.

Never have been.

I don't fall under the gender reassignment protected characteristic, because I am not trans. As such I have NO GENDER IDENTITY. NONE.

@chickenyhead

I have NO gender.

I am female sexed.

I am NOT cis.

Never have been.

I don't fall under the gender reassignment protected characteristic, because I am not trans. As such I have NO GENDER IDENTITY. NONE.

If you call yourself a "woman", that's your gender.

If you've never questioned it, and never thought about being anything except what you were assigned at birth (female, girl, woman, etc.), then you're most likely cis, and that's it, you're the gender you were assigned birth.

What do you mean by 'never thought about being anything except...'? Do you mean like imagining you were someone else? Doesn't everyone do that at some time in their life? Particularly children using their imagination.

What about girls who realise early on (as I did) that boys seem to get a better deal in life, but realise that as people can't change sex, they are stuck with being girls and just get on with it? Are they 'cis'? Do they have the same 'gender' as girls who like being girls and never wanted to be boys?

That my sex. It falls under the equality act as a protected characteristic, are you denying my right to that?

Identifying as the same gender as the one assigned at birth.

People aren't assigned a gender at birth.

@chickenyhead

I have NO gender.

I am female sexed.

I am NOT cis.

Never have been.

I don't fall under the gender reassignment protected characteristic, because I am not trans. As such I have NO GENDER IDENTITY. NONE.

"man" and "woman" are gender identities, whether or not you believe they should be strictly based on sex is a different matter entirely, it doesn't change the fact that these labels are culturally codified social identities.

@OldCrone

Identifying as the same gender as the one assigned at birth.

People aren't assigned a gender at birth.

They are, the moment you call a child a "boy" or a "girl", you are assigning a gender.

I do not, nor ever will have a gender. EVER.

I have a sex.

It is protected in law.

Go on, deny it.

I call myself a woman because that's the word for an adult human female. Nowt to do with gender feels.

I also wasn't assigned a gender at birth. My sex was observed and noted. Likewise when I had my own dc. Their sex was observed and noted. Who do I complain to about this lack of gender assignment? Is it PALS or someone else?

I reject socially imposed bullshit.

My birth certificate states sex.

@chickenyhead

I do not, nor ever will have a gender. EVER.

I have a sex.

It is protected in law.

Go on, deny it.

I don't want to repeat myself, lol. The very label of "woman" is gender.

My passport states sex

It is not

"man" and "woman" are gender identities

They are not. They are the words for adult human males and females respectively.

Nothing to do with 'gender'. Forcing people into gendered boxes is regressive and unnecessary.

Gender is made up. Social.

Sex is real, factual.

They are, the moment you call a child a "boy" or a "girl", you are assigning a gender.

No. That is an observation of their sex.

@chickenyhead

I reject socially imposed bullshit.

My birth certificate states sex.

Do you though? Do you insist on using gendered terms like "woman", "she", "man", "he"? Because all these labels are socially imposed. And you're part of the movement trying to socially impose unwanted labels on trans people

'Sexual orientation is based on external physical characteristics, not gametes and chromosomes.

And external physical characteristics can be altered.'

Again you overlook the enormous number of people around the world who have no such option.

Under the taleban female people had to wear burqas. Male people had to grow their beards to a specific length.

Your posts seem to have a limited (non existent) knowledge of or consideration of the situation around the world.

I don't get that TBH.

@OldCrone

They are, the moment you call a child a "boy" or a "girl", you are assigning a gender.

No. That is an observation of their sex.

It's not. "This child has a penis" would be observation of sex, with the penis being one of their physical characteristics.

The moment you choose to call a child with a penis a "boy", you are assigning a gender category.

Do you insist on using gendered terms like "woman", "she", "man", "he"?

Those terms refer to sex not gender.

Because all these labels are socially imposed. And you're part of the movement trying to socially impose unwanted labels on trans people

And yet here you are, imposing your unwanted 'cis' label on people who don't identify as 'cis'.

What the actual do you mean by "socially imposed"?
You said it earlier. It didn't make sense then and it doesn't make sense now.

Man and woman are the terms for adult human males and females respectively. He and she are the pronouns for those people. That's all.

@chickenyhead

Gender is made up. Social.

Sex is real, factual.

And the labels based on sex are gender, and yes, made-up. All labels are made-up.