Helen Webberley

[Signalbox]

Looks like Helem Webberley's substantive case has finally been listed for 26th July 2021

www.mpts-uk.org/hearings-and-decisions/medical-practitioners-tribunals/dr-helen-webberley-jul-21

[MrsOvertonsWindow]

It's been a very telling week on here hasn't it vivariumvivariumsvivaria?

Adults arguing against high quality ethical medical care for this vulnerable group of children, arguing that the same group should not be included in statutory safeguarding guidelines and dismissing women and girls rights to be protected from flashers / indecent exposure.

It's been a real confirmation of what women know and fear but are banned from pointing out. All verbalised and posted on here for the world to see with the red flags flying everywhere.

[littleredberries]

She wrote an emotive open letter to Sonia Appleby on her website. Talks a lot about responding to acute mental health issues in the children that came to her. She will focus on that rather than caring one bit about comorbidities...

[vivariumvivariumsvivaria]

Absolutely, Mrs O. I always think you learn more from what someone DOESN'T say than what they do.

Never have I seen anyone from the trans side demand research. Never mind an RCT which would be tricky to get through ethics, no ethnographic studies, not even a survey of people who stopped attending GIC appointments. I can't think of any other patient group, or clinician group, which isn't interested in increasing the evidence base supporting the care.

They seem to be entirely focussed on "I want".

Of course, there is a suggestion that puberty blockers affect IQ. Perhaps it's that.

[vivariumvivariumsvivaria]

Little but, she's a GP. Shouldn''t she respond by referring them to a psychiatrist?

My daughter couldn't get anything out of our GP for her acute mental health issues because her age meant she had to be seen by a consultant before GP would take over the care. Which was entirely reasonable.

I think HW believes her own hype, that she is about to be in a great deal of trouble and that is going to be a surprise to nobody but her.

[SpindleWhorl]

Also, did you just compare me to a Nazi? Isn't that what gives a feminist her wings?

Especially when we're accused of being "Nazi's" with the wrong apostrophe.

[StrangeLookingParasite]

Seems apropos.

[Datun]

When someone argues for a doctor who has been suspended several times, and is called disingenuous, manipulative and dishonest by their own regulatory body, you can safely ignore every other thing they say. Although you might want to don sunglasses as the blinding light of zealotry in their eyes makes you blink.

[Soontobe60]

@statsgeek1
Since the UK is one of the only countries in the developed world that doesn't follow the recognised international standards for care of trans youth, I find it less than surprising that some who are heavily invested in controlling this area are targeting a Dr who many owe their comfort if not their lives to

Blimey, she practically deserves a knighthood!

[Soontobe60]

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

Little but, she's a GP. Shouldn''t she respond by referring them to a psychiatrist?

My daughter couldn't get anything out of our GP for her acute mental health issues because her age meant she had to be seen by a consultant before GP would take over the care. Which was entirely reasonable.

I think HW believes her own hype, that she is about to be in a great deal of trouble and that is going to be a surprise to nobody but her.

She’s a GP that barely practiced as one - were talking months here.

[Helleofabore]

Along then comes Dr Webberley who, despite the rhetoric in the Sunday comics supports looking at her patients as an individual. Not only that but supports following internationally recognised standards of care with this patient demographic.

Along then comes Dr Webberley who, with her husband, has been suspended from practicing medicine in the UK. Why on earth would ANY responsible parent consider Dr Webberley's advice while they are under suspension and particularly for the reason she is under suspension...

Oh that's right. Because she looks at her patients as an individual.

Strange that this is what so many clinicians have actually been arguing to do and being treated as being transphobic. Treat their patients as individuals needing tailored and unique treatment regimens that may or may not follow WPATHs insistence of being 'affirming only'.

WPATHs guidance needed to have some changes recently as they were absolutely not best practice.

In fact, Dr Steemsta, whose work affirming treatment was based on has also very publicly stated that affirming only treatment for the current cohort of young female transitioners may be actually harmful. But of course, they are female transitioners and their hugely increased long term health risks, including those that are life shortening, are quite often dismissed in some of these discussions I have noticed.

Since the UK is one of the only countries in the developed world that doesn't follow the recognised international standards for care of trans youth, I find it less than surprising that some who are heavily invested in controlling this area are targeting a Dr who many owe their comfort if not their lives to.

There are now several posts addressing that the UK is NOT the only country in the developed world that doesn't strictly follow the 'recognised international standards for care of trans youth', which I can only believe you mean as PBs and affirming only treatment.

I find it less than surprising that some who are heavily invested in controlling this area are targeting a Dr who many owe their comfort if not their lives to.

What? A Dr who has been suspended from practicing medicine in the UK and yet persists through some very dodgy company changes from outside the country? That Dr who is so very trustworthy and makes sure that she is up to date with all the latest research and has shown that the company she has strong affiliation with continue to work around a UK PB decision that effectively banned their usage.

That Dr?

The company who allowed a journalist to get a prescription presenting as an under 18 year old?

So, you might actually also be surprised how many parents are on MN who are incredibly worried about their teenagers and yes, are very heavily invested in this area.

So, why are YOU not advocating for consideration for the latest research to be better considered for the ongoing treatment of current cohort of young transitioners? Who the majority are female, and have significantly high risk to their health with PB and affirming only treatment paths....

[vivariumvivariumsvivaria]

"barely practiced as one - were talking months here."

Didn't know that, Soon.

I can see the appeal - giving patients what they want is a nice way of working. No one is going to complain, everyone is delighted to see you, you get to be like a Santa figure while earning large sums of money.

Unfortunately, it seems to be completely unethical, but, if you don't mind that, nice work if you can get it.

[Leafstamp]

@MrsOvertonsWindow

Imaging rocking up on a feminist board and arguing that a medic found by their professional regulators to be (checks notes)
disingenuous and manipulative and lacking the essential attributes of integrity and candour which are essential to suitability
is the best person to treat vulnerable children.

And that women arguing that children are entitled to high quality, ethical and well researched medical care are (checks notes again) nazis

It’s utterly astounding!

[GromblesofGrimbledon]

Don't know if I've missed anyone else posting this already, but here's some info at the beginning of this episode of The Mess We're In.

[Signalbox]

@GromblesofGrimbledon

Don't know if I've missed anyone else posting this already, but here's some info at the beginning of this episode of The Mess We're In.

Interesting!

[Soontobe60]

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

"barely practiced as one - were talking months here."

Didn't know that, Soon.

I can see the appeal - giving patients what they want is a nice way of working. No one is going to complain, everyone is delighted to see you, you get to be like a Santa figure while earning large sums of money.

Unfortunately, it seems to be completely unethical, but, if you don't mind that, nice work if you can get it.

Apologies - I’ve just re read the hearing document linked up the thread - she was a GP with one practice for around 4 years, but after she ‘left’ worked as a locus but only did a couple of week’s work. There were issues raised about her focusing all her attention on setting up her private business whilst working as a GP.

[vivariumvivariumsvivaria]

GP training takes at least 3 years and 4 isn't unusual.

You'd need to be a fully fledged GP to locum.

If I was a journalist I'd be interested in establishing how much experience HW had.

RCCP had an online trans training course for a while. I did it, it was mostly about pronouns.

I wonder where HW got her interest in trans care from in the first place?

[Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g]

Dr Mike Webberley was a gastroenterologist - consultant in NHS, I think, and working with adults. Odd leap from that to prescribing hormones to children and teenagers online and as a business.

[Thingybob]

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

Dr Mike Webberley was a gastroenterologist - consultant in NHS, I think, and working with adults. Odd leap from that to prescribing hormones to children and teenagers online and as a business.

Almost as odd as the leap from a Dr specialising in geriatrics and anti- aging (Botox injections) to prescribing lead for Gender GP.

I see they have a certificate though so I'm sure it's ok

[Pommie69]

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4290818-Petition-Parliament-for-Sex-to-be-recorded-for-all-Violent-Sexual-Offenders-throughout-CJS?msgid=108887804#108887804

Did you see my petition with 20 years of UK MOJ stats (2002-20) that with total consistency "more than 99% of all sexual offenders are MALE"
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/590123

Please sign & circulate, we have 6 months to make it to 100,000 and force a debate in the HOC. Any British resident or any British citizen can sign.

[MaudTheInvincible]

Danial Webb has now got the whole hearing covered.

[Pommie69]

WELL DONE

[Sophoclesthefox]

Fifty five days. Crikey.

What a lot there must be to get through.

[FannyCann]

I think the fifty five days must surely be a record.

[vivariumvivariumsvivaria]

How do they estimate the length of time they need?

The lawyers submit a skeleton thingie and a court officer guesstimates and adds on a bit of time for just-in-case?

Because that is extraordinary.

HW must be shitting herself.