Helen Webberley

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Looks like Helem Webberley's substantive case has finally been listed for 26th July 2021

www.mpts-uk.org/hearings-and-decisions/medical-practitioners-tribunals/dr-helen-webberley-jul-21

[MonsignorMirth]

Thanks for the update- will keep an eye open (and to Michael Webberley's case too)

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Dr Helen Webberley's Tribunal - Tribunal Tweets
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Apr 8

Dr Helen Webberley's misconduct tribunal will continue to consider the finding of facts in camera (private) all next week.

Once its decision on the facts is handed down, it will consider evidence & submissions on whether her fitness to practise is impaired.

I think we're just waiting on the decision now. I'm not sure why this proceeded in private? Anyone else know?

[flabbergasted]

@StellaAndCrow

I know this is off track, but I keep coming back to it. For GIRLS, what was the advantage of puberty blockers EVER supposed to be? I can understand boys not wanting the changes that testosterone brings, but testosterone has such clear effects that surely girls could go through female puberty, then take testosterone later if they still felt they needed to? Surely puberty blockers have the "wrong" effect on girls who want to be boys, in that they stunt growth, so that girls who particularly want to maximise height so that they can present as men, end up even shorter than they would have been?

I always wondered this. When my autistic little cousin decided she was going to be a boy I was fine with the he/him and new name thing, but tried to do some reading up on PBs in girls (all the female side of our family peak at about 5 foot 3 anyway) and tried to find out if she'd get the height spurt that teenage boys do if she did PBs and testosterone. It was the fact I couldn't get any straight answers that prompted me to "educate myself" and I was horrified. The good news is she desisted

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I know that for my regulator if a case does not complete in the allotted timeframe it can be a year (or more) before they can arrange for an additional 2-week hearing. And Covid has obviously made everything a little bit worse because hearings were completely paused for a few months and then went to remote hearings which were also slower to start with. It's really not a good situation for anyone waiting for their cases to be heard and if you are also suspended during that waiting period it will feel very unfair.

[Motorina]

@MonsignorMirth nope sorry. Have just read the past few pages so understand the stage things are at if not the broader context.

Does sound like the GMC have been told to get their finger out. Which is fine but when two of the panel are doctors and may have clinical commitments to juggle (particularly right now) and there are a whole bunch of lawyers involved who will also have busy diaries, it’s easier said than done.

Will be watching future stages with interest.

[MonsignorMirth]

Is @Motorina on this thread/ aware of this case at all?

[Leafstamp]

Thank you Signalbox for the info and commentary.

It's a little concerning, though seemingly deserving, that GMC have been given a ticking off. I guess no organisation is incapable of incompetence.

[AlfonsoTheUnrepentant]

Thanks for the updates.

[HelplesslyHoping]

There's no space for a personal agenda in healthcare, she should be struck off and left to share her opinions where they don't harm anyone.

[Signalbox]

There was previously some discussion about the determination being handed down in January and then two weeks in April to begin stage 2. Presumably if the determination is handed down in January and they have to go back to the High Court they will at least have a Stage 1 decision on which to base their request for a further extension (or not) to the suspension.

[Jeeeez]

I think the GMC are expected to go back to court again if they want another extension, and the judge is hoping the MPTS will speed things up so her case is completed within the 3 months

[Manderleyagain]

So she's been suspended since 2017? And they have been considering the evidence for months and are not going to give a judgement until April. What has the cause of the delay been? That's not good justice at all, no one should be kept in limbo from their profession all that time.

Three month extension only takes up to March, so will she be back on the register for a month before the judgement on her case?

[ArabellaScott]

Thanks, Signalbox and tribunaltweets.

I hope they get a move on. It's not fair to Webberley or anyone else to keep postponing.

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Many thanks to @tribunaltweets for tweeting!

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The Helen Webberley Tribunal
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LB will draft an order for the J. In light of significant criticism of the GMC witness statement, no order for costs requested.

TB requests that soem proportion of HW's costs shd be born by the GMC.

TB: The GMC did not comply with their duty of candour. That had practical consequences. Significant work was undertaken by HW's legal team.

HW has not got (CPPR teference) what she claimed. A much shorter period could have been possible. But she is the successful party.

The logic may be that an IOT will be better placed to formulate ongoing conditions. TB said in circs and without GMC cooperation, GMC shd pay 40% of the costs.

J Claimant concedes judgment is critical of GMC. In truth, the claimant is the successful party as they got an order (albeit shorter period of time.)

"I am critical of the claimant's efforts."

But GMC were successful so balance with them.

No order as to costs.

The judge's elegant summation of the case and judgment will be posted here when we have it.

[Signalbox]

Looks like the GMC got a bit of a telling off. For not being transparent about which matters had been dropped. Judge said they risked misleading the court. Also a 3 month extension is quite short. Judge is telling them to get a move on because it's unfair on HW to keep having such time delays between stages.

[picklemewalnuts]

Cross post! Thanks @Signalbox !

[picklemewalnuts]

Thank you for the updates. Is anyone able to summarise/translate? My brain just isn't that focussed anymore!

[Signalbox]

So looks like high court have extended suspension for 3 months.

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DECISION CONTINUED...

The Helen Webberley Tribunal
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In respect of the u/t, the first set are problematic. The High Court could be faced with dispute on whether HW had complied with guidelines.

J does not consider first u/t offered is enforceable or workable.

Not prescribing at all has an attraction - as facts will be clear, But GMC argument is that the ct is left without a clear mechanism to use.

With no monitoring a dr cld prescribe, and GMc be in ignorance. On a narrow balance, some form of suspension is proportionate.

Suspension for 3 months from today - so can be referred to IOT and MPTS gets tribunal.

J tells MPTS & GMC to consider his reasons if there is any return to the High Ct.

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DECISION CONT...

The Helen Webberley Tribunal
@tribunaltweets

J read Bauman - because different views and strong feelings. High levels of distress gender dysphoria.

Difference of expert opinion carries serious consequences for practice cannot absolve a dr from blame, and must examine & refect their own practice and be up to date.

J expresses no view on either set of opinions. The evidence is of serious allegations, not simply limited to pt treatment. Probity and/or failure of cooperation with regulatory process are serious.

GMC's duty of candour requires it brings not only the factual matters but also material relied upon by the Dr in defence, and shd include that some allegations were not brought forward. Risks the ct being seriously misled.

An uninformed reader could assume all the early allegations were before the tribunal. The GMC witness statement risks misleading the ct. Last week's GMC counsel said no harm done.

J says important that GMC discharges it's duty of candour with the full picture.

J says a regulator that has delays is likely to undermine public confidence. 3 months in commercial courts is not a target. It is a maximum.

The timeframe must have become predictable during the first stage. That shd have been considered then - resources of staffing and premises

[GMC getting a right bollocking]

shd have been taken in mind when making decisions on timings.

It is not possible to justify a delay to April nor to justify a suspension for a further delay.

It must be possible for MPTS to manage handing down the determination in public so the delay from Jan to April is simply incomprehensible,

Could a shorter period of suspension be justified?

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DECISION CONTINUED...

The Helen Webberley Tribunal
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J notes 5 & 7th involve allegations of dishonesty.

AllegatIon 9 is a disputed fact as to whether she operated and controlled Gender GP or not.

The tribunal allegations are not the same as those originally brought to the GMC - eg no allegation on Pt F before the tribunal.

Important to know the history and complexities and live allegations.

Conditions first made in May 2017.

Nov 2018 - IOT imposed suspension due to "serious and multiple concerns raised re clinical conduct and .... probity" and her conviction.

Nov 2019 - extended by order of the high court.

GMC Mr Stubbs' witness statement "serious and widespread concerns", inappropriate prescribing & assessments with care and treatment seriously below standards expected. LB said HW poses a risk to public safety and members of the public so IOT necessary.

GMC accepts investigation was lengthy. Mr Stubbs statement did not cover withdrawal of allegations (something else) and reasons for the delay to decisions in April 2022.

LB maintained that an interim order of suspension remains proportionate. She said the ct had no means of investigation, supervision or monitoring.

J says GMC considers how one knows if the Dr is complying with the conditions, and uses supervision and monitoring.

LB suggested a shorter period if necessary and referral back to the IOT.

TB said the Pts A, B & C were the most serious. Pt A is the most serious. TB drew attention to Dr Bauman & Dr Schumer's reports. J reads para 6 HW "acted in best interst of pt preventing years of suffering"

longer quote re listening to pts and stopping medical paternalism.

TB said that Dr Matt allegations , RCGP and conviction do not amount to suspension, as not proportionate in terms of length,

HW in witness statement - she has other actions required to practice again. She has been denied her livelihood, speaking, research and even didn't get involved in a medical emergency on a flight as she has no insurance. TB: balance of the public interest is her return to practice.

2 proposals - that HW complies with WPATH and ES guidelines, keeping a log for every case onw hat she prescribed and why, or not prescribing at all.

J turns to consideration about the balance in this case.

[Signalbox]

No worries InvisibleDragon

It's a bit nail biting. I get the sense that the judge isn't at all happy about the delays!

[InvisibleDragon]

Thank you for doing this @Signalbox

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DECISION...

@tribunaltweets
HHJ Pearce - the overarching objective of the GMC is protection of the public and they have statutory powers to investigate and refer to an IOT. The IOT has power to make interim orders or suspension. Beyond 18 months, claimant may apply to the High Court for review.

The Ct may quash, revoke or vary the order on applications for extension that is no order, the claimant's request or shorten the order.

Parliament inserted a condition that allows extensions as longer periods than 18 months may be necessary, and exercised by the ct.

Ct acts as primary decision maker. Criteria are the same as the original order - gravity, nature of evidence and impact on public and reasons for extension.

Ct does not consider the merits. J quotes LJ Ardern on this matter.

Decision on extension and the allegations, not the merits of the case.

para 33 Hue (sp?) decision by LJ Arden - the Ct can look beyond the allegations. Para 29 - GMC reasons.

Delay - NatWestMarkets plc 2021 case - judgment handed down 19 months later. The general rule is deliver within 3 months because justice delayed is justice denied.

The delay in the NatWest & Bilter case was inexcusable. Delay alone does not allow setting aside a judgment. Special care is required.

J notes what TB said having issues of dishonesty hanging over the doctor and says mere delay isn't sufficient to interfere.

J summarises the length of the tribunal, which adjourned on 15 Oct. Tribunal will reconvene for 4 days ion jan and reconvene for it's findings in April, to consider Dr's fitness to practice and consequences.

J shares concern that it may not conclude until 2023.

Request for 8 months extension would not cover the case through to conclusion if impairment is found.

TB submtted u/ts were offered on behalf of the doctor. Even if the claimant cld make out an argument for extension, it would be disproportionate on HW.

The J adjourned the hearing last week to allow further submissions on this.

J summarises the history. CQC suspended an orgn HW worked for due to concerns abt inappropriate prescribing. Not all those concerns have been laid before the tribunal. Some have been.

10 areas of concern:

1. Pt A - prescription of testosterone inappropriate for a 12 year old. A gave evidence "probably life saving treatment."
   

1. Pt B - over 16 years
   

1. Pt C - under 16 yrs - TB said less serious as puberty blockers (think this was due to an implication its' reversible)
   

4 Pts D & E

1. Membership of RCGP
   
2. completion of form for Pharnacy
   
3. failure to notify phramacy suspension of
   
4. allegation she frustrated investigation by Aneurin HT
   
5. Gender GP involvement
   

10 - conviction of running an unregistered agency