Helen Webberley

[Signalbox]

Looks like Helem Webberley's substantive case has finally been listed for 26th July 2021

www.mpts-uk.org/hearings-and-decisions/medical-practitioners-tribunals/dr-helen-webberley-jul-21

[ScreamingMeMe]

The woman sounds like a complete narcissist.

And her ego is stoked by TRAs who paint her as some kind of hero and saviour of trans children.

When really she's an absolute ghoul. I hope the book gets thrown at her.

[Beeeeeeeeeeeeeep]

Following with great interest!

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

www.gendergp.com/open-letter-protect-trans-kids-helen-webberley/

[ScreamingMeMe]

This will be my chance to share my version of events and for the patients involved to have their say. Experts in the field will come together to look at the various arguments about gender-related healthcare and balance them with the needs of the patients. The question of whether my practice could cause harm to patients, as is alleged, or whether I fulfilled my duties as a doctor will be determined.

Can't wait.

GenderGP will continue the good work it does, regardless of the outcome of my case.

Hmmmmnnn

[Outhere]

[quote OldCrone]The records of her earlier tribunals are here:

Appeal against removal from Medical Performers List:
phl.decisions.tribunals.gov.uk/Documents/FTT%20Decision%2022%20October%202018%20-%20[2018]%203251.PHL.pdf

National Disqualification:
phl.decisions.tribunals.gov.uk/Documents/(FTT)%20Decision%20on%20National%20Disqualification%2023%20January%202019%20-%20[2018]%203251.PHL.pdf[/quote]
Well, they're illuminating.

[vivariumvivariumsvivaria]

Gender GP tried to open a clinic in Glasgow a few years ago, after HW was suspended, in suites next to George Square. There was great excitement amongst the trans community, but it came to nothing.

Agree about her, and those who work there, being seen as saviours by the trans and NB community. When, actually, looking at their website, most of the staff have no relevant qualifications whatsoever. Happily, the website does give me a thorough run down of who owns a hamster and which fan fiction they like.

Didn't realise Kat Bristow is there for "patient contact and care"

Looks to me like they have a Romanian and an Egyptian doctor and Marianne, who's the lead counsellor and trans, and 4 other people described as counsellors but not as "qualified" as Marianne is.

Plus the suspended Dr W.

Out of a staff montage of 32 people.

Not exactly top heavy with clinicians, are they? And no, AFAICS, pharmacist, psychiatrist, endocrinologist, social worker, and certainly no one is listed as being responsible for safe guarding.
www.gendergp.com/meet-the-team/

[Ekofisk]

WTF is “non binary healthcare”?

[Leafstamp]

@Ekofisk

WTF is “non binary healthcare”?

Quite

Mind you, you could take away the last word and still have a very valid question there.

[MrsOvertonsWindow]

Having had a quick read of the National Disqualification tribunal there are certain phrases that stand out:

" disingenuous and manipulative.
The respondent has satisfied us that she lacks the essential attributes of integrity and candour which are essential to suitability
She also lacks insight.
Dr Webberley’s attitude is one of entrenched resistance to regulation and is highly coloured by her lack of integrity and candour ".

I wonder how often professional bodies use such language to describe a health care professional?

[Ekofisk]

Exactly. The “non-binary” of my youth were David Bowie / Annie Lennox / Steve Strange etc, who quite happily cross dressed without the need to resort to they / them pronouns.

And surely “non binary healthcare” is bollocks because these “folx” require healthcare for either male bodied people or female bodied people?

[Ekofisk]

I wonder how often professional bodies use such language to describe a health care professional?

I read that and thought the same.

It’s completely damning.

[Sophoclesthefox]

Ouch. They’re not holding back there, are they?

I cannot fathom how people would actively seek her out to unleash on their children

[statsgeek1]

@Sophoclesthefox

Ouch. They’re not holding back there, are they?

I cannot fathom how people would actively seek her out to unleash on their children

From personal experience it normally works along the lines of:

My child is hugely distressed at the realisation that the reality of their sex does not match with how they see themselves. They suffer huge distress and are often bullied at school by the kids whose parents have convinced them that they are 'normal'. You know, years of socialisation at family gatherings with the odd old uncle asking who your boy/girl (delete as appropriate) friend is in a manner that makes guests chortle.

These parents of these childrn then naturally look to the NHS and sometimes encounter, transphobic GP's, conversion therapy supporting psychologist, support staff and waiting lists that would put a rural Tory supporting back water bus timetable to shame.

Along then comes Dr Webberley who, despite the rhetoric in the Sunday comics supports looking at her patients as an individual. Not only that but supports following internationally recognised standards of care with this patient demographic.

Since the UK is one of the only countries in the developed world that doesn't follow the recognised international standards for care of trans youth, I find it less than surprising that some who are heavily invested in controlling this area are targeting a Dr who many owe their comfort if not their lives to.

[OldCrone]

My child is hugely distressed at the realisation that the reality of their sex does not match with how they see themselves.

What does this mean?

[CardinalLolzy]

I do find it worrying how people can argue that trans kids don't deserve integrity, candour or insight in their healthcare professionals. Just like others were arguing that they shouldn't have safeguarding.

And that somehow bus timetables are fundamentally different in Tory "supporting" (what, elected MPs? Councillors?) areas than other parties. Now actually that is data I'd like to see!

And that convincing your child they are "normal" will lead to them becoming a bully.

[statsgeek1]

@OldCrone

My child is hugely distressed at the realisation that the reality of their sex does not match with how they see themselves.

What does this mean?

Exactly what it suggests.There are a tiny amount of children who aren't comfortable with the sex that somebody noted on a PRF a few moments after they were born. That's not to suggest that isn't real.

You can either try to help them relieve their discomfort in line with current international standards of care or you can dismiss them and discourage them from living a life that offers them a modicum of comfort and a potential that many before them couldn't have even dreamed of.

Choices are limited, I'm not sure we should be seeking to restrict them further,.

[CardinalLolzy]

There are a tiny amount of children who aren't comfortable with the sex that somebody noted on a PRF a few moments after they were born.

I'd say nearly everyone has discomfort about their physical sex at some point in their life.
If choices are limited the answer is not to go with a bad choice when you are talking about lifelong health of a vulnerable child. Particularly when that choice is stopping research on finding other choices.

It needs to be done ethically. All children deserve protecting from unethical profiteers despite what anyone is trying to argue.

You can either try to help them relieve their discomfort in line with current international standards of care or you can dismiss them and discourage them from living a life that offers them a modicum of comfort and a potential that many before them couldn't have even dreamed of.

It sounds like you believe these are the only two options. Do you?

[Signalbox]

Not only that but supports following internationally recognised standards of care with this patient demographic.

Shame she wasn’t so bothered about following the the standards and regulations required of doctors in this country.

[statsgeek1]

@CardinalLolzy

There are a tiny amount of children who aren't comfortable with the sex that somebody noted on a PRF a few moments after they were born.

I'd say nearly everyone has discomfort about their physical sex at some point in their life.
If choices are limited the answer is not to go with a bad choice when you are talking about lifelong health of a vulnerable child. Particularly when that choice is stopping research on finding other choices.

It needs to be done ethically. All children deserve protecting from unethical profiteers despite what anyone is trying to argue.

You can either try to help them relieve their discomfort in line with current international standards of care or you can dismiss them and discourage them from living a life that offers them a modicum of comfort and a potential that many before them couldn't have even dreamed of.

It sounds like you believe these are the only two options. Do you?

I'd have to ask what is the other choice? If it is finding a way to make them comfortable with their biological sex at the expense of an alternative I'm going to be a bit less than trusting. I'm often saddened that some people appear to disregard the fact that this was the treatment protocol for decades as if it were something new and bold that they were supporting.

Please lets not return to that level of state sanctioned abuse and lets just give this tiny cohort of children the chance of a life that makes them (as oppose to you) feel comfortable.

[Ekofisk]

Aye, there’s the rub.

It’s not “internationally recognised standards of care” if Webberley has already been suspended for acting illegally and is now facing a GMC enquiry.

[statsgeek1]

@Signalbox

Not only that but supports following internationally recognised standards of care with this patient demographic.

Shame she wasn’t so bothered about following the the standards and regulations required of doctors in this country.

Well, if the UK is insistent on doing its own thing as a result of conservative outrage instead of following the international standards of care I'd be shocked, I say shocked if there weren't opposition.

[OldCrone]

There are a tiny amount of children who aren't comfortable with the sex that somebody noted on a PRF a few moments after they were born. That's not to suggest that isn't real.

As CardinalLolzy said, this probably isn't a tiny number at all.

But what do you mean by 'comfortable with [their] sex'? Are you referring to physical discomfort? For example, a boy wishing he didn't have a penis or a girl hating her breasts? Surely any discomfort with the physical body requires first of all psychological assessment to see if there is a reason (e.g. trauma or abuse) for such discomfort. Of course the discomfort is real, but we should be wary of making rash assumptions about its causes.

Or are you referring to discomfort with the gendered expectations for their sex? The solution to this one is just to get on with life regardless. It's what lots of us have had to do.

[OldCrone]

I'm often saddened that some people appear to disregard the fact that this was the treatment protocol for decades as if it were something new and bold that they were supporting.

'Trans children' are a relatively recent phenomenon.

[CardinalLolzy]

So you believe that the two options you have detailed are the only two options - dismiss them, or send them to this particular doctor?

I don't think any further discussion will be helpful so I'll leave it there. I will not change my mind on my belief that all children deserve the same ethical and safeguarding protections.

[OldCrone]

Well, if the UK is insistent on doing its own thing as a result of conservative outrage

Do you think it's 'conservative outrage' that has made Finland reconsider their treatments for gender dysphoric children?

segm.org/Finland_deviates_from_WPATH_prioritizing_psychotherapy_no_surgery_for_minors

Or do you think there may be other good reasons for not sterilising children or removing their sexual function before they are old enough to properly consent?