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Helen Webberley

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Signalbox · 05/07/2021 11:59

Looks like Helem Webberley's substantive case has finally been listed for 26th July 2021

www.mpts-uk.org/hearings-and-decisions/medical-practitioners-tribunals/dr-helen-webberley-jul-21

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OhHolyJesus · 09/07/2021 10:59

55 days? That's a lot of popcorn.

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AfternoonToffee · 09/07/2021 11:09

HW must be shitting herself.

I hope she is (as in recognises the gravity of the situation) but I fear that she is in so deep that she is utterly convinced that she is right and sees this as a means to "set the record straight".

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Pommie69 · 09/07/2021 11:10

PLEASE be aware signatures sometimes do NOT "take".
The only way to be SURE you have signed (at their end) is to go back and TRY again. It will NOT let you sign twice but feedback from others is that they go back and their 1st signature has NOT registered.

  1. PLEASE go back and double check.
  2. 6 months @ 30 days = 180 days for us to reach 100,000 IF you can bear it please consider reminding/sharing the link every week or two to keep drawing people in. VERY MANY THANKS
Helen Webberley
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Pommie69 · 09/07/2021 11:11

Inspired by Scots @BDimyon's Petition to UK Parliament Require bio- sex of VATP & sexual offenders to be recorded throughout justice system - police - courts - prisons - probation. Petition past 2,000 within 24 hours

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/590123

Helen Webberley
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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/07/2021 15:53

She is deluded:

"Hello 👋 Thank you so so much for all the amazing support that is coming in for my upcoming GMC hearing at the end of the month. After 5 long years, an independent tribunal will hear from representatives of NHS and from myself. 👨‍⚖️1/10

They will listen to both sides of the story and decide which approach doctors looking after trans patients should follow. Which is in the best interests of patients? I will do the very best I can to bring your voices with me. 📣2/10

It is your voices that count the most. How would your lives have been different if you had had access to the care that is now available to trans youth? Should the UK follow NHS policy or should we follow International guidelines? 🌎3/10"

twitter.com/MyWebDoctorUK/status/1413509282226610187?s=19

She seems to see this as some sort of case that will reverberate through the medical world and cause the NHS to throw caution to the winds and follow WPATH "guidelines" of enough of her patients will say how wonderful she is Hmm

Also this: www.gendergp.com/gmc-hearing-statement-dr-helen-webberley/
where she again encourages her patients to provide testimonials Hmm

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/07/2021 15:55

Thing is though, if she does get struck off does it actually change anything? Presumably she can still provide care - it's not like any of the other Gender GP people have qualifications. Gender GP is owned by some shell company, and a random doctor is providing prescriptions. I don't think being struck off will her impact her very profitable model, and it will probably turn her into a martyr.

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Datun · 09/07/2021 16:02

She's going to bring anecdotes isn't she.

People's personal journeys and lived reality. Are we going to have 55 of them, I wonder?

It's going to be like all the threads on here. Where someone says, but I wanted all this, and you're mean that I didn't get it.

It's going to be brilliant.

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littleredberries · 09/07/2021 16:07

She has called for positive testimonies on her Twitter so, yes, she's going to play the emotive card every day she can.

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Cabinfever10 · 09/07/2021 16:12

I suspect that when she is struck off (I know it's not a certainty but it should be) I expect it will have exactly the same effect as when Andrew Wakefield was struck off.
She will still spout her BS and claim that it's the nasty bigoted terfs who are out to get her/all trans people. Those who believe in gender idolagy will lap it up just like the antivaxers do (particularly in the US) with Wakefield. The only blessing is that she will be prevented from using the title Dr or practising as a Dr anywhere in the world

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Datun · 09/07/2021 16:16

@littleredberries

She has called for positive testimonies on her Twitter so, yes, she's going to play the emotive card every day she can.

I'm not sure anonymous or random Twitter testimony is going to cut it.

I mean, doesn't she have records? 🙄
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titchy · 09/07/2021 16:18

She'll be able to use the title Dr afaik - she can't have the degree removed, just her licence to practice.

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Leafstamp · 09/07/2021 16:25

I'm not sure anonymous or random Twitter testimony is going to cut it.

Indeed. I mean anyone could write anything and submit it.....

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OldCrone · 09/07/2021 16:54

She seems to see this as some sort of case that will reverberate through the medical world and cause the NHS to throw caution to the winds and follow WPATH "guidelines" of enough of her patients will say how wonderful she is

She doesn't seem to understand what the tribunal is for.

The tribunal will inquire into the allegation that, between March 2016 and November 2016, Dr Webberley failed to provide good clinical care to three patients, and that in September 2016 she prescribed inappropriately to two patients.

'Good clinical care' and appropriate prescribing are surely defined by the regulators. These are not negotiable. If she thinks they are wrong, this is not the time and place to try to change them.

The tribunal will further inquire into allegations that Dr Webberley’s conduct was dishonest in relation to information she provided to the GMC and the Aneurin Bevan University Health Board, and in her failure to provide relevant information to a pharmacy.

I don't think patient testimonials can get her off the hook if it turns out she has been dishonest and failed to provide relevant information.

The tribunal will inquire into the allegation that, when acting as the principal provider of the Gender GP website, Dr Webberley attempted to avoid the regulatory framework of the United Kingdom

This is completely unrelated to how her patients feel about their care. The regulatory framework is there for a reason, and Dr Webberley is not exempt from having to comply with it.

She seems to think the tribunal is a platform to promote her beliefs and her wish to change the UK protocols on treatment, when in fact it's a tribunal about her misconduct and making a decision about whether she should continue to be suspended, removed permanently from the medical register or have her licence to practice reinstated.

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Datun · 09/07/2021 17:23

@OldCrone

She seems to see this as some sort of case that will reverberate through the medical world and cause the NHS to throw caution to the winds and follow WPATH "guidelines" of enough of her patients will say how wonderful she is

She doesn't seem to understand what the tribunal is for.

The tribunal will inquire into the allegation that, between March 2016 and November 2016, Dr Webberley failed to provide good clinical care to three patients, and that in September 2016 she prescribed inappropriately to two patients.

'Good clinical care' and appropriate prescribing are surely defined by the regulators. These are not negotiable. If she thinks they are wrong, this is not the time and place to try to change them.

The tribunal will further inquire into allegations that Dr Webberley’s conduct was dishonest in relation to information she provided to the GMC and the Aneurin Bevan University Health Board, and in her failure to provide relevant information to a pharmacy.

I don't think patient testimonials can get her off the hook if it turns out she has been dishonest and failed to provide relevant information.

The tribunal will inquire into the allegation that, when acting as the principal provider of the Gender GP website, Dr Webberley attempted to avoid the regulatory framework of the United Kingdom

This is completely unrelated to how her patients feel about their care. The regulatory framework is there for a reason, and Dr Webberley is not exempt from having to comply with it.

She seems to think the tribunal is a platform to promote her beliefs and her wish to change the UK protocols on treatment, when in fact it's a tribunal about her misconduct and making a decision about whether she should continue to be suspended, removed permanently from the medical register or have her licence to practice reinstated.

Yeah, it's as though #BeKind isn't actually a legal argument.
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Soontobe60 · 09/07/2021 17:37

@OldCrone

She seems to see this as some sort of case that will reverberate through the medical world and cause the NHS to throw caution to the winds and follow WPATH "guidelines" of enough of her patients will say how wonderful she is

She doesn't seem to understand what the tribunal is for.

The tribunal will inquire into the allegation that, between March 2016 and November 2016, Dr Webberley failed to provide good clinical care to three patients, and that in September 2016 she prescribed inappropriately to two patients.

'Good clinical care' and appropriate prescribing are surely defined by the regulators. These are not negotiable. If she thinks they are wrong, this is not the time and place to try to change them.

The tribunal will further inquire into allegations that Dr Webberley’s conduct was dishonest in relation to information she provided to the GMC and the Aneurin Bevan University Health Board, and in her failure to provide relevant information to a pharmacy.

I don't think patient testimonials can get her off the hook if it turns out she has been dishonest and failed to provide relevant information.

The tribunal will inquire into the allegation that, when acting as the principal provider of the Gender GP website, Dr Webberley attempted to avoid the regulatory framework of the United Kingdom

This is completely unrelated to how her patients feel about their care. The regulatory framework is there for a reason, and Dr Webberley is not exempt from having to comply with it.

She seems to think the tribunal is a platform to promote her beliefs and her wish to change the UK protocols on treatment, when in fact it's a tribunal about her misconduct and making a decision about whether she should continue to be suspended, removed permanently from the medical register or have her licence to practice reinstated.

She seems to believe that if she can give reasons as to why she acted as she did she will be let off. Mitigating circumstances may well play a part in how someone found guilty is sentenced, but has no bearing on whether they are guilty as charged or not.
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CardinalLolzy · 09/07/2021 18:17

OldCrone eh? But where is the bit that says "They will listen to both sides of the story and decide which approach doctors looking after trans patients should follow" as per HW's post quoted above?

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SometimesIFeedTheSparrows · 09/07/2021 18:43

Perhaps she's thinking if she goes down the Wakefield route, she'll end up with George Clooney?

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FannyCann · 09/07/2021 18:45

Perhaps her greatest fan will provide a testimonial?

Helen Webberley
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ScreamingMeMe · 11/07/2021 22:01

A write up from Danial Webb on the ownership of Gender GP

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/gender-gp-whats-going-on-f59

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 12/07/2021 00:38

Jesus.

There will be a film of this.

I do hope that Eddie Izzard gets to play the role of HW.

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ScreamingMeMe · 12/07/2021 11:34

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

Jesus.

There will be a film of this.

I do hope that Eddie Izzard gets to play the role of HW.

Grin
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Signalbox · 14/07/2021 22:10

This is weird. Almost as if the Webberley's aren't aware of the function of their regulator.

twitter.com/DanialWebb/status/1415409779439198209

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PronounssheRa · 14/07/2021 22:19

Signalbox

Christ, from that tweet, gender GPs IT servers are open and lack any security, am I reading that right?

I hope no patients details are accessible.

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AfternoonToffee · 14/07/2021 22:21

It is just mind boggling, I think they are just so convinced they are right that it is just a fuss over nothing.

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AfternoonToffee · 14/07/2021 22:23

@PronounssheRa

Signalbox

Christ, from that tweet, gender GPs IT servers are open and lack any security, am I reading that right?

I hope no patients details are accessible.

I would say there probably is patient information that is accessible, and most likely identifying. If there is DW may need to forward it to the ICO rather than Twitter
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