What are all the liberal celebs so quiet now at the spa?

[ClarrieGrundy]

So we all knew that a man would get his cock out in front of women and little girls in a changing room at some point. And we would be told that the toddlers should just get over their bigotry.

Anyway, I was wondering why we haven't heard from all the slebs who have be parroting the TWAW line. Has anyone heard? Has anyone come out and and defended this brave penis? (Which I bet was a little bit hard as it sat exposing itself to a changing room full of women and little girls.)

Emma Watson? Sarah Silverman? Daniel Radcliffe? Why so quiet?

I listen to a few podcasts from comedians based in LA and I am always saddened to hear the casual way that LA millennials have decided that JKR is now toxic. Haven't heard anything about this yet from all of them.

Or am I being unfair?

I think all women and girls, whatever their religious or political views are entail

It isn’t a right-wing, left-wing thing. TRAs use this as a distraction tactic. They’re just trying to shame the many left-wing/left-leaning GC women.

From what I’ve heard about this woman’s Social Media (the woman who made the complaint), I probably wouldn’t agree with her on most issues. I’m an atheist, pro-choice, not homophobic etc. This woman may have very different motivations to me when it comes to objecting about a male body in the women’s facilities. But none of that changes the fact that I agree with her stance on this issue. If she had been complaining about a lesbian or a Jewish woman using the facilities, I’d be joining a chorus of other lefties telling her to get stuffed. But she complained about a male in the facilities, and she is right.

As a GC person on Twitter, I sometimes follow other GC accounts and then unfollow when I realise I’ve followed someone who is homophobic/racist/a fan of Trump. Luckily there are plenty of GC people I can follow who are on my wavelength.

I'll try again, without pressing post too soon:

I think all women and girls, whatever their religious or political views are entitled to expect privacy and dignity, and not having to see penises in women's spaces. I think anyone implying or suggesting that women don't have these rights because they inconvenience males is a misogynist. Hope that helps, yeahbutnaw.

@Datun

It is quite interesting how many people want to deny it's happened, though. They clearly think it's awful PR.

Which I don't really get, to be honest. It is an inbuilt feature of the entire issue. It's not going away.

Quite. Their ideology is based slogans and exhortations not messy reality, which they just have no mechanisms or arguments to deal with.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

No decent, innocent man would get his genitals out in front of women and little girls. And no decent person who genuinely cares about women and girls and understands safeguarding would defend this behaviour

This this this. Fuck all the gaslighting. It's not ok.

Yes, this all day long.

It wouldn't enter the head of any decent, innocent man to go into any area where women and girls are in a state of undress be that toilets, changing rooms or a naked spa, they wouldn't dream of violating the safety, privacy, dignity and comfort of women and girls.

It wouldn't enter the head of any decent, innocent man to go into any area where women and girls are in a state of undress be that toilets, changing rooms or a naked spa, they wouldn't dream of violating the safety, privacy, dignity and comfort of women and girls.

And everyone knows this, even hypocritical faux feminist sellouts like Penny and Sarkeesian. Especially the sad little men on Twitter commenting on this issue. Decent men do not shit all over the privacy and dignity of women and girls. Unfortunately there are a lot of men who aren't decent men.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

It wouldn't enter the head of any decent, innocent man to go into any area where women and girls are in a state of undress be that toilets, changing rooms or a naked spa, they wouldn't dream of violating the safety, privacy, dignity and comfort of women and girls.

And everyone knows this, even hypocritical faux feminist sellouts like Penny and Sarkeesian. Especially the sad little men on Twitter commenting on this issue. Decent men do not shit all over the privacy and dignity of women and girls. Unfortunately there are a lot of men who aren't decent men.

Yup, it used to be that you had to be a multi millionaire and buy a beauty pageant before a man felt 'entitled' to enter the woman's changing area, like Trump did.

Now thanks to the 'progressive' (deeply regressive) left enabled by Joe Biden absolutely any man can if he wants.

I remember my youth when I would have thought it was the right who were sexist and the left who were on the side of women. My adult years have proved me wrong on that.

I'm going to need timestamps for the "number of women complaining at the same time" because that's not in the video I watched. I did see her encourage other people to ask for a refund though.

The other woman was already at the counter asking for her money back. The main woman was saying "Yes, you get your money back" in agreement.

There were other women and girls in their robes at the side.

Honestly, this is really desperate stuff, as are your attempts to say we're also right wing/right wing adjacent yeahbutnaw

Anything but condemn someone flashing their penis and testicles at women and girls, huh. Ye gods...

Apologies to @FijiCavanaugh if I've picked you up wrong. I can only see people quoting the original post in response to me, I can't see whoever posted it.

Whoever called me a right wing extremist needs to get a grip.

It's awfully hard to follow the argument when the offending poster has been deleted so many times. I suppose with that many deletions they won't be here for much longer anyway.

If they're still around for the time being perhaps they'd like to clarify why they think I'm a right wing extremist.

@yeahbutnaw , perhaps you can shed light on this?

No-one with a shred of decency supports the view that a fully intact male should be naked in a hot tub of a commercial spa with an equally naked 9 year old girl, no-one. This is why those that do support this view resort to violence as at the Spa protests, discrediting of the woman who posted the video complaint, dismissal of the evidence of said video, changing the topic under discussion, as per threads on the subject on here. Their argument is unwinnable and they know it so they have to deflect and shut it down at all costs.

@HecatesCatsInFancyHats

I think the new party line will be that right-minded, progressive women don't mind being exposed to penises without their consent.

There's a word for that. Begins with a g.

I can see your point, although I don’t find her attractive in the slightest, the shit she spouts makes her seem very ugly to me (I’m bitter after she attacked ‘thin women’ and then deleted it but never fucking apologised.)

The fat acceptance cult is eerily similar to TR activism, with its gas lighting, science free, heretic bullying formula. I'm not surprised JJ is heavily involved in both.

What do you believe was the sexual assault? I watched the video and I don't recall anything about contact being made?

Offences Against The Person Act:
An assault is any act (and not mere omission to act) by which a person intentionally or recklessly causes another to suffer or apprehend immediate unlawful violence.
@moreofthisagain no need for contact to actually happen.

@TedImgoingmad

I can see your point, although I don’t find her attractive in the slightest, the shit she spouts makes her seem very ugly to me (I’m bitter after she attacked ‘thin women’ and then deleted it but never fucking apologised.)

The fat acceptance cult is eerily similar to TR activism, with its gas lighting, science free, heretic bullying formula. I'm not surprised JJ is heavily involved in both.

It really is. I occasionally read r/fatlogic and the FA & HAES movement spouts so much anti-science really aggressively that the parallels to TRAs are really stark. But weirdly, the cognitive bias is such that a lot of the people who are pointing out the problems with the FA/HAES activism are also really quick to be super "anti-TERF" too.

I have heard about this sort of thing happening often and women are afraid to say anything because they don't want to be called bigots. One store here made all its restrooms/loos 'gender neutral' and there have been cases where a girl has entered the restroom alone only to have a man, pretending to be a woman, follow her in and then expose himself.

The looney Left have created a perverts dream come true.

When I was a girl (in the 50's & 60's in England), there were men known as flashers who'd wait for a girl or woman walk past and then he'd expose himself to them. My mum encountered a few of them as she used to ride her bike home through a large park every day on her way home from work. Once, when I was older, she encountered one while walking our dog in the woods - this one was completely nude and showing off his wanking skills.

Mum told us to always point, laugh and run if we saw one. She explained the last thing they want is to be laughed at and that they were doing it for other nefarious reason.

So I grew up knowing that there are many perverts out there who have a deep need to show females their genitals and they get some kind of sick gratification from doing it.

Now these men don't have to stand in the shrubbery in the cold and rain, they can sit right in front of their victims, completely naked and if the victim complains then the victim is the bad guy.

What a terrible world the Left has created for women. Men can sexually exploit us under the law, beat us easily in all our sports and even win female beauty pageants.

@DdraigGoch

What do you believe was the sexual assault? I watched the video and I don't recall anything about contact being made?

Offences Against The Person Act:
An assault is any act (and not mere omission to act) by which a person intentionally or recklessly causes another to suffer or apprehend immediate unlawful violence.
@moreofthisagain no need for contact to actually happen.

As I made explicitly clear in my post I do regard what happened as a sex crime. I was trying to establish what the poster I was responding to regarded as a sexual assault, whether they regarded it as regarding contact or exposure (as happened in this case).

The looney Left have created a perverts dream come true.

This is all happening under a conservative government, as a result of a policy introduced by the Conservatives.
Its happening in the MOJ, the police, and MI5 which are hardly hotbeds of communism.

Now these men don't have to stand in the shrubbery in the cold and rain, they can sit right in front of their victims, completely naked and if the victim complains then the victim is the bad guy. What a terrible world the Left has created for women

Absolutely.

@Thelnebriati

The looney Left have created a perverts dream come true.

This is all happening under a conservative government, as a result of a policy introduced by the Conservatives.
Its happening in the MOJ, the police, and MI5 which are hardly hotbeds of communism.

Yeah, I was going to say. The Tories have been in power 11 years. They have an overall majority. No doubt it is true that on average Labour and Lib Dem politicians' stated positions are more TRA than Conservative ones. But the Conservatives could put an end to this nonsense tomorrow if they chose to do so. But they don't, and a lot of them actively believe in all this stuff (cf Nick Herbert). All this nonsense is a strange type of post-liberal ideology that has little in common with the traditional left.

But why is everyone so afraid to stand up to this stuff

Is it because it suits them for some reason ?

The Conservatives started this culture war with their consultation to reform the GRA, and by making rude comments about the (mostly left wing) women who opposed it.

But why theinebriati ?

I'm not sure it's useful to look at this in terms of left or right. The Overton Window shifted to allow this to happen. That push was made by the left (probably with good intentions), the right are creating what they perceive to be popular policies within the new framework of acceptability. Both sides have become useful idiots fulfilling the agenda of misogynists, who have beliefs across the entire political and social/religious spectrum, and who come in all shapes, sizes and colours. The thing they have in common is their desire to advance the dominance of men over women. The women pushing back are from all along the political spectrum, not right wing conservatives as the usual suspects who pop up here like to argue. We are not all white, we are not all straight and we are not all conservative. And if we are white, straight, conservative and religious, our opinions are just as valid.

@RedDogsBeg

No-one with a shred of decency supports the view that a fully intact male should be naked in a hot tub of a commercial spa with an equally naked 9 year old girl, no-one. This is why those that do support this view resort to violence as at the Spa protests, discrediting of the woman who posted the video complaint, dismissal of the evidence of said video, changing the topic under discussion, as per threads on the subject on here. Their argument is unwinnable and they know it so they have to deflect and shut it down at all costs.

Has anybody mentioned that in that video, nobody says what the women say isn't true? Nobody denies that there's a male in the women only section.

The common thread in all of this is Press for Change and Stonewall. It transcends party politics. Stonewall were successfully lobbying & championing the rights of gay men and lesbians when civil partnerships were introduced under Blair, they were similarly involved when Cameron introduced Gay Marriage - but Lynne Featherstone of the Lib Dems likes to crow about their influence on LGBT rights under the coalition. By the time the Tories won an overall majority Stonewall had a well established lobbying influence and was a well respected (in Westminster) org, Press for Change meanwhile were doing their thing for trans rights, and in 2015 their ambitions merged (because Stonewall had achieved pretty much everything it set out to from a legislative point of view and that's where they found a new revenue stream). I think it's a succession of credulous administrations failing to think critically about long term impact and not really giving a shit about women.