Transgender people have an average life expectancy of 30-35, or lower

[StealthPolarBear]

On Twitter, no reference.
If this is true it's a travesty.
I find it very hard to believe.

Even more research data shows that they outnumber homosexual transsexuals by around 9 to 1.

Do you have a link to that, by any chance CharlieParley

So are there people who argue we should accept any old shite stats in order to #bekind.
Oh dear.

The "political reasons" being that they want to live a life free from discrimination and violence?

Sure... you can twist it how you wish.

How about the

The "political reasons" being that some groups wish to push affirming only treatment when there are many very experienced clinicians saying that is a harmful approach for the current cohort of young transitioners - the majority being young female transitioners....

I guess you might want to prevent parents of those young people having access to accurate information....

The "political reasons" being that they want as adults to have affirming only treatments despite even latest published studies raising doubts that these treatments offer the relief to mental health that many transitioners are seeking.

I guess you might want to prevent adults needing to make fully informed decisions having access to accurate information....

The "political reasons" being that some groups wish to access female single sex spaces that causes distress and harm to vulnerable females and these groups are making various claims to do so that are proving to be untrue.

I guess you might want to prevent women for stating their boundaries and discussing their needs to have female single sex spaces....

And so on...

I, for one, am very happy to see current statistics and studies that prove the claims being made though. You know, we do read them and dissect them here so it would be great to have them to help us understand what is truth from hyperbole.

Please continue to post them and show us the evidence. That is pretty much what I am here for. The evidence.

The "political reasons" being that they want to live a life free from discrimination and violence?

Very political.

Why are they lying about the statistics, in that case?

@Datun

The "political reasons" being that they want to live a life free from discrimination and violence?

Very political.

Why are they lying about the statistics, in that case?

As far as I can see, this is some random account on Twitter. It could be a 13 year old for all we know.

But you're debating it as if it were an official organisation that needs to be held to account.

If only you showed the same diligence and critical thinking about the information spread on here. But you don't.

Strange that.

Moving goalposts.

Try engaging with the point I'm making.

We are.

How about giving us the correct statistics and links to studies then? I have not recalled many studies or statistics posted from you lately, now is a great time to improve our knowledge.

@Helleofabore

The "political reasons" being that they want to live a life free from discrimination and violence?

Sure... you can twist it how you wish.

How about the

The "political reasons" being that some groups wish to push affirming only treatment when there are many very experienced clinicians saying that is a harmful approach for the current cohort of young transitioners - the majority being young female transitioners....

I guess you might want to prevent parents of those young people having access to accurate information....

The "political reasons" being that they want as adults to have affirming only treatments despite even latest published studies raising doubts that these treatments offer the relief to mental health that many transitioners are seeking.

I guess you might want to prevent adults needing to make fully informed decisions having access to accurate information....

The "political reasons" being that some groups wish to access female single sex spaces that causes distress and harm to vulnerable females and these groups are making various claims to do so that are proving to be untrue.

I guess you might want to prevent women for stating their boundaries and discussing their needs to have female single sex spaces....

And so on...

I, for one, am very happy to see current statistics and studies that prove the claims being made though. You know, we do read them and dissect them here so it would be great to have them to help us understand what is truth from hyperbole.

Please continue to post them and show us the evidence. That is pretty much what I am here for. The evidence.

"Many" experienced clinicians seems like a stretch, eh?

I mean even if we take Thoughtful Therapists (LGB Alliance's favourite), it's led by a trainee psychologist (James Esses). They couldn't even get a fully qualified one to join.

Says a lot about your "many" comment.

Moving goalposts.

Try engaging with the point I'm making, rather than fabricating another.

What was your point? You replied to another poster who said "This thread is about accuracy in statistical claims being made by a group of people for political reasons" with the comment: "The "political reasons" being that they want to live a life free from discrimination and violence?"

All I did was ask how inaccurate statistics would help this. I believe that accurate statistics would help this cause more.

Can you explain what other point you thought you were making?

If only you showed the same diligence and critical thinking about the information spread on here. But you don't.

And yet, someone has actually traced back to where the stat has replicated from. Or haven't you read the thread with the links.

@OldCrone

Moving goalposts.

Try engaging with the point I'm making, rather than fabricating another.

What was your point? You replied to another poster who said "This thread is about accuracy in statistical claims being made by a group of people for political reasons" with the comment: "The "political reasons" being that they want to live a life free from discrimination and violence?"

All I did was ask how inaccurate statistics would help this. I believe that accurate statistics would help this cause more.

Can you explain what other point you thought you were making?

What repercussions do you think the random person who posted this Tweet needs to face?

What would be suitable to you? Why do you care so much about what some random (probably teenage) person posted?

Why are you acting like they're an official organisation that needs to be held to account?

As far as I can see, this is some random account on Twitter. It could be a 13 year old for all we know.

But you're debating it as if it were an official organisation that needs to be held to account.

This statistic in the title is being used in different places, it is not just some 'random'. But nice minimising, and perpetuating your own brand of misinformation.

Again though, post us the current statistics that disprove this. You obviously don't believe it yourself. Why is this?

But you're debating it as if it were an official organisation that needs to be held to account.

I'm not debating it. I'm saying it's lies. Munroe bergdorf claimed the same thing. I have no idea why, since it's so obviously bollocks.

The reason we're debating as if an official organisation said this is that it's exactly the sort of daft claim that some people make all the time.

I haven't got a link but I remember Munroe Bergorf claiming that as a transwomen of colour it was an achievement to hit 30. This is someone who worked (briefly) for the NSPCC.

Sorry Datun, I posted before realising you said the same thing!

Why are you acting like they're an official organisation that needs to be held to account?

Yet here you are, apparently, shouting at randoms on the internet.

Why do you care so much about what some random (probably teenage) person posted?

Because so many people actually believe them. And this misinformation is being consumed by our teenagers. Or , have you again forgot them? And the fact that the majority of young transitioners are teenaged females, who many of us have in our daily lives....

Why are you acting like they're an official organisation that needs to be held to account?

Because any person or organisation that publishes this misinformation needs to stop.

Looking forward to the correct stats being posted soon though. Thanks.

@heathspeedwell

The reason we're debating as if an official organisation said this is that it's exactly the sort of daft claim that some people make all the time.

I haven't got a link but I remember Munroe Bergorf claiming that as a transwomen of colour it was an achievement to hit 30. This is someone who worked (briefly) for the NSPCC.

We're pretending this is official statement from an actual organisation

when in fact it was a random teenager

because it's possible an actual organisation would say something like this

...

Have I got that right?

You lot need more hobbies.

So you have evidence yeah that this is a teenager posting this? Please share.

@purpleboy

So you have evidence yeah that this is a teenager posting this? Please share.

Do you have evidence that it's someone who wields any influence? Please share.

You lot need more hobbies

I was just thinking this…about you obviously

It is pink news... sorry.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/06/07/munroe-bergdorf-speaks-out-for-black-trans-women-statistically-i-only-have-four-years-left-to-live/

Just for you yeah

It is NOT just some random teenager. It is something that needs to be debunked every time it appears.

You lot need more hobbies. Says the person getting angry at women saying 'no' to them at the moment on the internet....

Here you go. This daft figure has been quoted in the Guardian and on Channel 4. Are we allowed to talk about it now?

herriotts.wordpress.com/2018/05/12/life-expectancy-of-mtts/#:~:text=It%E2%80%99s%20endlessly%20recycled%20and%20quoted%20by%20trans%20activists%2C,recent%2C%20and%20now%20infamous%2C%20%23GenderQuakeDebate%20on%20Channel%204.

Patricia Arquette said it at the Emmy Awards.

@yeahbutnaw Have you never seen this statistic quoted before? I'm surprised, you spend so much time on here, but you seem to have reacted as though it's the first time you've seen this 'life expectancy of transwomen' statistic.

Here's a thread from 2017.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3070105-Fake-stats-transgender-life-expectancy

And an article from 2018 where Paris Lees mentions this figure:
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/22/epidemic-violence-transgender-people-experienced-stonewall

Lees links to this report as evidence:
www.oas.org/en/iachr/lgtbi/docs/Annex-Registry-Violence-LGBTI.pdf

www.marieclaire.com/politics/a28169056/black-trans-women-murdered/

www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/06/09/ashlee-marie-preston-expectancy-black-trans-woman-36-birthday-milestone/

(another pink news and in 2020)

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/22/epidemic-violence-transgender-people-experienced-stonewall

Shall I continue....