Transgender people have an average life expectancy of 30-35, or lower

[StealthPolarBear]

On Twitter, no reference.
If this is true it's a travesty.
I find it very hard to believe.

@mumwon

can I mention trans women in the Subcontinent - they live a life separate & often despised, by the mains stream society. Many there are prostitutes or treated as such & definitely not rich or accepted. I imagine they have shorter lifespans too (no proof or stats but its more than likely). I can't imagine so-called "ladyboys" in South Asia have a good quality of life or long life span either Both of the above groups often have risky life styles & may be at risk of VD including AIDS as they can be attacked/raped

Yes :(

However, these statistics are being used to compel decisions about policies in the UK, Australia, Canada and USA. That is what this thread is all about

Exactly. And petrifying our kids too.

Jan Morris managed a very long innings.

@mumwon

can I mention trans women in the Subcontinent - they live a life separate & often despised, by the mains stream society. Many there are prostitutes or treated as such & definitely not rich or accepted. I imagine they have shorter lifespans too (no proof or stats but its more than likely). I can't imagine so-called "ladyboys" in South Asia have a good quality of life or long life span either Both of the above groups often have risky life styles & may be at risk of VD including AIDS as they can be attacked/raped

Can I mention women in the subcontinent? Many are not even born because of sex selective abortion. Young girls are forced into marriage. Rape and murder are at endemic levels.

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.com/url?q=www.theigc.org/blog/the-growing-concern-around-violence-against-women-in-india-where-do-we-stand/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjExOCUl8DxAhVy5-AKHcuwCDAQFjAFegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw03ywsK_BxbviWFYRho1RPq" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.google.com/url?q=www.theigc.org/blog/the-growing-concern-around-violence-against-women-in-india-where-do-we-stand/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjExOCUl8DxAhVy5-AKHcuwCDAQFjAFegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw03ywsK_BxbviWFYRho1RPq
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My point about trans women in Asia was are they are included in the stats? - & yes I am very aware of pre birth sex based abortion - which is technically illegal there & further more the kidnapping of girls (not women usually) to areas with few females precisely because of this, also illegal. Poverty means inequality - & even in an more extreme way than here.
I worry about inaccurate statistics & there use & long term hormone use or blocking of hormones. Now this I do know - cancer treatment for prostate cancer can include hormone blocking &these men have to be checked for osteoporosis

@Beeeeeeeeeeeeeep

Being a transsexual prostitute in the drug dealer controlled Brazilian favelas =\= being a blue hair no hormones male bodied white person in Islington

😂😂😂

’Says a lot about your "many" comment.’

Oh look @yeahbutnaw, the New York Post says ‘many’ too!!

nypost.com/2021/06/30/inside-the-rush-to-reassign-the-genders-of-kids/?fbclid=IwAR2dxOFc8emu06y7c6GIKS7F1FZWd9wF6RuHchIQD0ns0Ty6o31rvv3QYfY

Gosh… maybe you ARE behind in your reading as well as your facts and stats. If even the NY post says it, there must be a ground swell happening in the USA as well.

Still looking forward to the latest statistics on life expectancy for the UK for transpeople, murder rates etc and stats to disprove ‘many’ clinicians are worried that one size doesn’t fit all.

Because you told us ’If only you showed the same diligence and critical thinking about the information spread on here. But you don't.’

And well… it seems that only you don’t at the moment. Your questionable credibility is even rather shakier than before.

Oh, and maybe you can back up your assertion that the statistic is ONLY being pushed by a random twitter teenager.

Because, the links posted yesterday was from just a quick search to show you how wide spread it is.

They are still peddling this lie?

@MrGHardy

They are still peddling this lie?

Yes. But we are hateful for discussing that it is incorrectly being used and to be concerned for the implications where it is still being used… apparently…

@Datun

We're pretending this is official statement from an actual organisation

when in fact it was a random teenager

It's very unpleasant to notice how you describe 'random teenagers' with such contempt. These are our children. Being fed lies. And there's you, trying to stop us from correcting them.

Oh look.

Surrey Police LGBT+ have Tweeted exactly the same stats.

Isn’t it a bit worrying that the UK police are propagating these debunked stats?

@Melroses

Jan Morris managed a very long innings.

And Jan's transformation into a woman identity didn't interfere with Jan's membership of a male only London club. No triggering there lads!

Blinkin' heck. Shouldn't police statistics have some force of objective truth behind them? Does social media now mean any old stuff can be issued under their imprimatur.

What seems extraordinary to me is that we are effectively experimenting on people when they transition. We have no real idea what the long (or even medium) term impact on life expectancy is. Spouting random stats without qualification is unhelpful. We should be collecting stats objectively and comprehensively. Of course, allowing people to change their sex/gender records retrospectively will make this well nigh impossible.

Oh look @yeahbutnaw!!

A random police group tweeted this yesterday!!!!

Just a random teenager?

@Helleofabore

Unfortunately junipertree those interested in transitioning or the cosmetic appeal of ‘t’ aren’t doing that google search. I wish they would.

Instead, we are seeing the glamorization of taking testosterone. It reminds me of the anabolic steroid issues.

Sadly, my professional experience is that it is nigh on impossible to investigate adverse health consequences of mis-use of steroid class drugs, whether by women or men (e.g. in gyms). No funding, difficult ethics, illegal drug supply/use, etc. I just don't think much solid research will get done on this. It never does for 'cosmetic' procedures either, we just pick up the pieces years later.

@PhiRhoSigma Always seems to be the NHS and the govt who have to pick up the pieces and try to make good the damage caused by the shoddy and shabby conduct of private clinicians and practitioners, and it will be the case with this too, I'd imagine. The alchemists will be long gone by then.

My point about trans women in Asia was are they are included in the stats?

What stats? The average age at which transwomen are murdered in Latin America (which is also, oddly, higher than their reported average life expectancy there)?

Life expectancy for transwomen?

Wouldn’t it be grand to have some accurate statistics for that very purpose…

@mumwon

Life expectancy for transwomen?

We don't have that statistic

@MishyJDI
I'm a medical researcher with an interest in politics.

When I see a statistic like that, my reaction is to think, shit, that's terrible!
Is it true across the board? What's causing the deaths?
Let's go to the source, look at the data, and see what factors are impacting on that and what action we could take to change them.

Are you saying my reaction should be to say, 'tsk, bloody transphobes' and move on? I'm not sure how that helps?

Well, I have just been educated re. the 35 year life expectancy fact (for another South American country). When I said I knew where the number came from, they retorted with - 'that's old, a new study shows the same'. I asked for a link, which I read and, as expected, did not mention life expectancy at all.

I did a bit of reading and it seems that several 'studies' in Argentina, Chile, Colombia and Mexico have been come up with this exact same number. Does anyone know if they are all in fact misquoting the Brazilian numbers?

@TheHeathenOfSuburbia, I too asked similar questions - are these suicides? homocides? are there other comorbidities? I was told the 'cause of death was not relevant, what's important is that they are a vulnerable population'.

This figure is the average age of murder victims. Not life expectancy.

Well, I have just been educated re. the 35 year life expectancy fact (for another South American country). When I said I knew where the number came from, they retorted with - 'that's old, a new study shows the same'. I asked for a link, which I read and, as expected, did not mention life expectancy at all.

The unwillingness of the members of these closed communities to go beyond their thought reform restrictions and consider matters properly and read around is alarming. The refusal to participate in discussion but to restrict themselves to delivering packages of pre-interpreted thought and phrases is essential to their continuing membership of that community and it makes it very difficult to influence them or engage them.

Unfortunately, because of the captured nature of the policy making, the consequences of this misinformation do not have a natural limit to their scope but affect people outside their communities and the harms are substantial.

Robert Lifton's 8 criteria of thought reform: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4382551-Live-not-by-lies-Solzhenitsyn-no-tambourines-involved?msgid=111900052

This might be the case in the favelas of Brazil, but every transperson I see is a middle-aged trans-identifying male.