Transgender people have an average life expectancy of 30-35, or lower

[StealthPolarBear]

On Twitter, no reference.
If this is true it's a travesty.
I find it very hard to believe.

Unfortunately junipertree those interested in transitioning or the cosmetic appeal of ‘t’ aren’t doing that google search. I wish they would.

Instead, we are seeing the glamorization of taking testosterone. It reminds me of the anabolic steroid issues.

It's fucking disgraceful that adults are allowing this to happen

I agree. How many posters have we had here that downplay the risks to females. I have been given a strike for implying there is discrimination against females being perpetuated by certain groups. There are even one or two posters who tell us their internet transmen friends have ‘no problems.’ Like we are making it all up.

And then we hear the detransitioner stories where they tell us that the trans community won’t discuss the negative side effects. They can’t. They dismiss any stories that don’t fit the narrative.

So there seems many who suffer in silence.

My friends (early 20s) DD has just shared this screenshot on Insta. I know from previous conversations with her that there is no point trying to explain that it just isn't true. She's very much TWAW and that's all there is to it. :(

On the other hand it is true that same sex marriage does not exist in most of the world and it is true that despite a whole month of 'Pride', this wasn't really a focus.

Wouldn't want to embarrass Sainsbury's and their majority shareholder.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Qatar

Lies, damn lies & TRA statistics

Anecdotal in the main, but with some professional experience (I'm a therapist).

Re: suicide, which will affect life-expectancy figures:

• All of the transpeople I know have mental health issues - some of them profound.
• These mental health issues started before each of them transitioned, and were largely brought about by experiences during childhood.
• I am positing the theory that, for some people, transitioning feels like an escape route out of often hideous circumstances, which then turns out not to be true. So instead of dealing with suicidal feelings, it may well intensify them.

- I am positing the theory that, for some people, transitioning feels like an escape route out of often hideous circumstances, which then turns out not to be true. So instead of dealing with suicidal feelings, it may well intensify them.

It has been documented that this is the case. There was a paper about this last year in Cambridge press I think. (Was it Marcus Evans?).

And this one

journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/26344041211010777

Published April 22, 2021
Kasia Kozlowska, Georgia McClure et al

Australian children and adolescents with gender dysphoria: Clinical presentations and challenges experienced by a multidisciplinary team and gender service.

The clinicians worries are that affirming only is not working and is causing harm. But they are denounced as transphobic for saying so.

@Helleofabore

- I am positing the theory that, for some people, transitioning feels like an escape route out of often hideous circumstances, which then turns out not to be true. So instead of dealing with suicidal feelings, it may well intensify them.

It has been documented that this is the case. There was a paper about this last year in Cambridge press I think. (Was it Marcus Evans?).

And this one

journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/26344041211010777

Published April 22, 2021
Kasia Kozlowska, Georgia McClure et al

Australian children and adolescents with gender dysphoria: Clinical presentations and challenges experienced by a multidisciplinary team and gender service.

The clinicians worries are that affirming only is not working and is causing harm. But they are denounced as transphobic for saying so.

Thank you. I'll read this now.

Back in the eighties and nineties I was a mental health nurse and we admitted a few men who were then described as tramsvestites but who wished to transition to being a woman .
This was seen as a benign delusion which may alleviate other mental health issues so was supported in the main .. There was no talk of it being an actual biological fact..however if a woman with anorexia was admitted at 4_5 stone and stated she was fat and obese there was no pandering g to that as a benign delusion at all ...
Psychiatry and care may have moved on but I still harbour the thought that transideation is a delusion ans not so benign after all .

@StealthPolarBear

On Twitter, no reference. If this is true it's a travesty. I find it very hard to believe.

Conflating the average age of a murder victim of any group with the life expectancy of the whole group is always going to lead to alarming claims.

But this is simply one of those mistakes that grew legs and arms and a head and ran off with the truth.

If you follow the sources of this claim, it was an interview with someone talking about black murder victims in the US. There was a reference to where that stat came from, and of course the source was concerned with the average age of a murder victim of that very specific group (black male homosexual transsexuals in the US).

That specific stat then got smeared across completely different groups of transgender individuals (who are not black, male, US-residents, homosexual or transsexuals).

The misrepresented number has shock value, which gives those using the number power in a debate. A bit of maths is also all you need ro show this stat is claiming an impossibility.

From empirical data on non-homosexual transsexuals we know that their median age of transition is mid-40s to mid-50s. Even more research data shows that they outnumber homosexual transsexuals by around 9 to 1.

So, if you took that 35 number at face value, to arrive at it mathematically, as an average life expectancy, an awful lot of people would have to die before they are born (minus numbers only working in maths obviously, not in real life).

But I don't think facts really matter when the shock value of a misunderstood number brings more results.

You people are actually quite scary. Debating murder stats and arguing over whether trans people are justified in calling out themselves as a minority suffering prejudice and lower life expectancy.

Wow. Is this issue really impacting you that much, that this is where you get to. Sad.

WhatMatters

This is the Marcus Evans paper. It has a section that might be of interest.

www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bjpsych-bulletin/article/freedom-to-think-the-need-for-thorough-assessment-and-treatment-of-gender-dysphoric-children/F4B7F5CAFC0D0BE9FF3C7886BA6E904B

It's quite scary if anyone thinks their cause is so righteous that any lie is justified in support of it. And anyone calling out the lies needs to be denounced.

That's totalitarian behaviour. Very dangerous.

Mishy. As usual, you are mistaken.

This thread is about accuracy in statistical claims being made by a group of people for political reasons.

Why do you not want to know that trans people in the UK can expect to have a long life? What purpose do YOU have in perpetuating falsehoods?

And yes, the increased health risks to female transitioners is of major concern to many people here. Particularly those with female teenagers, Mishy. Do you have a teenage daughter that you are concerned about?

Do you wish to shut parents of teenage females up and simply have them believe the falsehoods being spread?

So, your Is this issue really impacting you that much, that this is where you get to. Sad. pretty much shows everyone what your intentions actually are. Please continue to post, because it really is enlightening to all.

@MishyJDI

You people are actually quite scary. Debating murder stats and arguing over whether trans people are justified in calling out themselves as a minority suffering prejudice and lower life expectancy.

Wow. Is this issue really impacting you that much, that this is where you get to. Sad.

So you support frightening lies being propagated, then?

And no, they don't have a lower life expectancy, in the majority of countries.

@Helleofabore

Mishy. As usual, you are mistaken.

This thread is about accuracy in statistical claims being made by a group of people for political reasons.

Why do you not want to know that trans people in the UK can expect to have a long life? What purpose do YOU have in perpetuating falsehoods?

And yes, the increased health risks to female transitioners is of major concern to many people here. Particularly those with female teenagers, Mishy. Do you have a teenage daughter that you are concerned about?

Do you wish to shut parents of teenage females up and simply have them believe the falsehoods being spread?

So, your Is this issue really impacting you that much, that this is where you get to. Sad. pretty much shows everyone what your intentions actually are. Please continue to post, because it really is enlightening to all.

The "political reasons" being that they want to live a life free from discrimination and violence?

Very political.

@MishyJDI

You people are actually quite scary. Debating murder stats and arguing over whether trans people are justified in calling out themselves as a minority suffering prejudice and lower life expectancy.

Wow. Is this issue really impacting you that much, that this is where you get to. Sad.

I'm personally saddened by people using the violent early deaths of vulnterable trans prostitutes in Brazil for their own agenda.

What's the average age of all the women killed in domestic violence in the UK last year? Why isn't that of interest on social media?

What is scary about it Mishy?

It's quite scary how people can take stats and twist them to suit the narrative they want to push. Why does a group of women talking about false statistics scare you so much?

A final one for you WhatMatters

ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2020.1778correction

The discussion about it here.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4015575-Correction-of-a-Key-Study-No-evidence-of-gender-affirming-surgeries-or-hormones-Improving-mental-health

The "political reasons" being that they want to live a life free from discrimination and violence?

How does misrepresenting statistics help people to live a life free from discrimination and violence? Wouldn't accurate statistics help more, so that the actual problems and causes of this discrimination and violence could be tackled?

Has anyone ever succeeding in being able to "live a life free from discrimination and violence" via the use of lies, and attacking others pointing out the lies?

Doesn't seem like a winning recipe to me.

Civil rights movements have previously relied on the truth, but maybe this one isn't really a civil rights movement.

@OldCrone

The "political reasons" being that they want to live a life free from discrimination and violence?

How does misrepresenting statistics help people to live a life free from discrimination and violence? Wouldn't accurate statistics help more, so that the actual problems and causes of this discrimination and violence could be tackled?

Moving goalposts.

Try engaging with the point I'm making, rather than fabricating another.