Transgender people have an average life expectancy of 30-35, or lower

[StealthPolarBear]

On Twitter, no reference.
If this is true it's a travesty.
I find it very hard to believe.

It’s not true. www.thestranger.com/slog/2019/09/23/41471629/is-the-life-expectancy-of-trans-women-in-the-us-just-35-no

I think the stats for trans women in places like Brazil are pretty horrific as they are often involved in prostitution and the life expectancy for prostitutes in Brazil and similar countries is very low.
Also when men transition to be transwomen they will be recorded as having an early death as women live longer than men by five years on average. This should be cancelled out by transmen eventually but at the explosion in numbers of transmen is in the younger population.

The usual nonsense, coopting the terrible deaths of transwomen in Brazil to claim victimhood for transwomen in countries like the UK.

The impact of long term cross sex hormones on the body is probably not yet fully understood, I understand that damage is done to the kidneys and reproductive organs, maybe reproductive cancers are more likely? I don't know. We know about the surgeries and what happens when it goes wrong, though no one has died as far as I'm aware. We know what puberty blockers do to bones and brains...

Wheston Chancellor Grove, a woman who detransitioned has said in since deleted on you tube videos that she suffered various health issues and stopped taking T, as have many others (if the NHS would listen to them that would be great).

I imagine the figured quoted has been made up. It's certainly not calling for more data.

Being a transsexual prostitute in the drug dealer controlled Brazilian favelas == being a blue hair no hormones male bodied white person in Islington

Also when men transition to be transwomen they will be recorded as having an early death as women live longer than men by five years on average. This should be cancelled out by transmen eventually but at the explosion in numbers of transmen is in the younger population.

I'm not sure the cancelling out you suggest will necessarily happen - sadly (but unsurprisingly) it seems there's evidence that transitioning may affect the long term health of transmen.

The source of the misleading figure cited above really doesn't seem to understand intersectionality at all.

Tiresome when people fling numbers about with no references. The patience of Katie Herzog in dismantling it is amazing.

The number comes from the average age of Brazilian transsexual prostitutes who are murdered.

This is one of those statistics where you keep the number, but change what it refers to to make it look shocking. When in fact the result here is so nonsensical that it doesn't pass a common sense test.

It's not life expectancy - it's the average age of murder victims. Totally different thing.

And that's in line with the average age of murder victims generally. There's no significant difference in the 35 number for "trans" here compared to the general population.

One of the things to always look for is comparators for "non-trans" from the same source data. That will reveal dodginess like this.

Where do you get that from Tibtom?

@PaleBlueMoonlight

Where do you get that from Tibtom?

150 transpeople murdered in a year www.statista.com/statistics/944650/number-trans-murders-latin-america-country/

Meanwhile 10 women are murdered a day: www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/07/12/brazil.domestic.violence/index.html

What I would like to see published is accurate negative side effects on females after starting testosterone? Including the average age those females have their ovaries removed due to atrophy and the prevalence of dementia. The risk of heart disease etc.

I would like to see these effects widely published and discussed. Because we have had posters recently telling us lesbians and non-binary females are taking testosterone to develop more masculine features (ie. Not transitioning, just micro dosing for cosmetic appeal). Now I don’t know how wide spread it is, but there are articles published about it too.

Seems to me that the lack of discussion about the side effects, the downplaying of them, is encouraging these risky decisons.

It's just more lies and emotional blackmail.

Give in to every demand or I will DiE!!!!

There was one the other day about the huge rise in trans people being attacked in the UK. No. They're not though are they. But then they do think women talking about sex based reality is ACTUAL violence so..

@PaleBlueMoonlight

Where do you get that from Tibtom?

I worked it out from murder statistics and population size

Yes definitely. Highly frustrating and does a lot to discredit a positive cause.

If we're to assume this is true - and the trqns lobby groups seem to want us to do so - then there needs to be urgent work in understanding the reasons. Else teens that are transitioning need to be told there's a very high chance they have lived half their lives already, and are they OK with that?

Had 'gender' clinic kept track of their patients we could have long term data at this point, from the early genital surgeries to the hormone treatment (though the puberty blockers are quite new other existing approaches to transsexuals aren't).

But they didn't, so we don't. Even recent studies haven't kept track, so we could be waiting a long time before we have any long term data is produced but I would place bets on what it would say.

How ironic that they ask people to ‘look at the stats and do your research.’
That’s a really fucking good idea mate, why didn’t you look at the stats and do some research before posting this horrible image, frightening people unnecessarily and damaging your own cause by making yourself look untrustworthy

Blimey, what about all the MTFs who don’t even start transitioning till their forties and fifties?

I’d question how anyone could be stupid enough to write that out and Tweet it without querying it, but then “sex is a spectrum” springs to mind. There is a startling deficit of reasoning among this crowd. They seem to parrot things they’ve heard without understanding what they’re saying.

@Helleofabore

What I would like to see published is accurate negative side effects on females after starting testosterone? Including the average age those females have their ovaries removed due to atrophy and the prevalence of dementia. The risk of heart disease etc.

I would like to see these effects widely published and discussed. Because we have had posters recently telling us lesbians and non-binary females are taking testosterone to develop more masculine features (ie. Not transitioning, just micro dosing for cosmetic appeal). Now I don’t know how wide spread it is, but there are articles published about it too.

Seems to me that the lack of discussion about the side effects, the downplaying of them, is encouraging these risky decisons.

Try Googling 'East German female athletes 1970s' to see what the long term health problems are.

It's really incredible. We look at past healthcare scandals and tragedies and think we've learned so much since then, that our doctors are somehow more responsible and far sighted and vigilant, but it's happening right now with cross sex hormones and puberty blockers. A doctor giving testosterone to a young woman with zero knowledge of the long term consequences is guilty of medical negligence imo.

@Helleofabore

What I would like to see published is accurate negative side effects on females after starting testosterone? Including the average age those females have their ovaries removed due to atrophy and the prevalence of dementia. The risk of heart disease etc.

I would like to see these effects widely published and discussed. Because we have had posters recently telling us lesbians and non-binary females are taking testosterone to develop more masculine features (ie. Not transitioning, just micro dosing for cosmetic appeal). Now I don’t know how wide spread it is, but there are articles published about it too.

Seems to me that the lack of discussion about the side effects, the downplaying of them, is encouraging these risky decisons.

It does need proper research but it's all so 'new' that the damage done to these young females won't even be looked at for years. (Or ever because they are female)

The adult males who transition after a lifetime of their bodies having the correct sex hormones and developing fully functioning sex organs will be used as the comparator. Plus, as we know, males can say they are trans without actually doing anything to their bodies

They get NOTHING like the damage done to young female bodies being put through menopause before they've even finished puberty. Atrophy, more risk of stroke/heart disease/cancer/osteoporosis/dementia.

It's fucking disgraceful that adults are allowing this to

happen.

Whatsnew antici

@StealthPolarBear

If we're to assume this is true - and the trqns lobby groups seem to want us to do so - then there needs to be urgent work in understanding the reasons. Else teens that are transitioning need to be told there's a very high chance they have lived half their lives already, and are they OK with that?

It isn’t true though, so telling teens that they’ll only live til their mid 30s is as bad as claiming the same teens will commit suicide if they’re not given puberty blockers. The average age of women murdered in the US in 2019 is 20 - 29 yrs. www.statista.com/statistics/251878/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-age/ I think you’ll agree that’s far lower than 35. So by the same misinterpretation of statistics would you claim that the life expectancy of women in the US is 20-29? No.

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