So Mumsnet ignored our request to have something to do with 'feminism' or 'women' in the name of the 'naughty step' subtopic

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So we now have

Feminist Chat (which was our space anyway)

Sex and gender debate

If they had to go ahead with this spineless nonsense plan, many of us on the preferred names thread suggested it was essential to include feminism in the naughty step topic. You cannot take the debate on sex/gender away from feminism.

I think my suggestion was:

Feminism: Women's Sex Based Rights

LibFem

So not only are they ignoring us and forging ahead with this crap, they've removed any relationship to feminism and women from the subtopic name.

Absolutely disgusted. This feels so reminiscent of the erasure of the word 'women' in so many contexts. To take the word feminist out of this subtopic- @MNHQ can you explain this? Because it's awful.

@LoverOfLight

Why would Sex Based Rights be a good indicator of what the topic is about? It may sum up what the topic represents to you but, sex based rights are not exclusive to the sex and gender debate, and the sex and gender debate is not wholly encompassed by sex based rights. It makes no sense.

Well we'd first have to know what the topic was about, and what criteria were for posting in there were, before deciding a name.

What is it that MN want in there?

An awkward name will stop new users finding it.
I would have never learnt a thing about the most important battle for women's rights in our lifetimes if all discussion had been siloed off into "sex-based debate" or "sex and gender debate" , because I like most other women have no interest in debating sex and gender. What I WAS I interested in women's rights.

Perhaps those that contacted Justine had exactly that as the aim, to make it harder for young feminists to find out that there is a war on women going on.

Is very naive to imagine that this place is not targeted by anti woman activists, very naive.

@MouseyTheVampireSlayer

To be frank, I don't want to have to be 'live' on a thread all the time. I find numerous notifications annoying, but are obviously needed to keep up with a thread. Your solution means I have to always be on an active thread and I don't necessarily want that. I want to be able to view the boards and decide what I want to post on. A drop down is needed.

No, I meant you can access the boards through ‘active’ - you don’t have to post on them yourself for them to be active. It’s the threads people are on at the time you click on ‘active’.

Surely the people who actively use and post on a board should have most say in what it is called, not the people who do not and wish to avoid it.

No, I meant you can access the boards through ‘active’ - you don’t have to post on them yourself for them to be active. It’s the threads people are on at the time you click on ‘active’.

Unless you hide all of the other topics that's not the same thing at all.

I'm not very happy that the trans widows threads have been moved to a section with "debate" in the title.

As in active discussion
That brings up a whole.load of threads that are totally irrelevant. If I wanted to go on random chats I'd go on active or aibu.
I'm talking about actively looking at the feminism board because I'm interested in that. I don't want to wade through other stuff.
Honestly, an actual drop down is basic, basic user friendly stuff. It's exactly the sort by thing that should have been done before you make major site changes.

So the people who don't like the topics, don't like the board, get to decide not only that it's split but also what it's called?
Yes, totally makes sense that.

You could use watching in that case.

@MouseyTheVampireSlayer

As in active discussion That brings up a whole.load of threads that are totally irrelevant. If I wanted to go on random chats I'd go on active or aibu. I'm talking about actively looking at the feminism board because I'm interested in that. I don't want to wade through other stuff. Honestly, an actual drop down is basic, basic user friendly stuff. It's exactly the sort by thing that should have been done before you make major site changes.

You could make a shortcut to it on your phone?

@CriticalCondition

Surely the people who actively use and post on a board should have most say in what it is called, not the people who do not and wish to avoid it.

I mean, you'd have thought so, wouldn't you?

As the URL is women's rights why not just call it 'women's rights'.

I would have thought that having 'sex' in there will not be helpful for searches.

@TinselAngel

I'm not very happy that the trans widows threads have been moved to a section with "debate" in the title.

This whole decision, and the way its been handled, feel like a kick in the teeth.

@WanderinWomb May I ask why you believe that a clearly labelled board name that is not obfuscating the issue nor siding with one side would confuse young feminists? I am a young feminist, in my twenties, and I find the other names suggested either hold unnecessary bias or obfuscate the issue being discussed - e.g. Sex Based Rights.

Also, in regards to the name making the mumsnet feminism more likely to be targeted; I don't know if you know this but the mumsnet feminism board is already quite well known for its general opinion on the sex and gender debate to people who care about these issues. I don't think a rename to separate the topics in house is going to have any further negative effect. Anyone even mildly clued up about issues made popular by the likes of JK Rowling would have a pretty clear understanding of the sex and gender debate and arguments put forward regarding womens' rights.

And also, again, the importance of the topic is subjective. Worrying that people aren't going to randomly stumble across it isn't ever really a reason to misleadingly of purposefully vaguely name something.

That doesn't help new users. Both boards should have equal visibility and accessibility.
As I said before, I don't want to watch threads. I want to see an overview.
This is basic, basic it stuff.
A drop down menu is not difficult to achieve. I know someone who can do it in an evening.

@TinselAngel

I'm not very happy that the trans widows threads have been moved to a section with "debate" in the title.

Urgh.

@MouseyTheVampireSlayer

That doesn't help new users. Both boards should have equal visibility and accessibility. As I said before, I don't want to watch threads. I want to see an overview. This is basic, basic it stuff. A drop down menu is not difficult to achieve. I know someone who can do it in an evening.

Ok. Well, hopefully you’ll get it sorted soon.

Can someone tell me exactly why MN put this thread under Sex & Gender Debate FFS?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4275340-FASCINATING-ECONOMIST-ARTICLE-ON-INJURIES-IN-FEMALE-ATHLETES-AND-MENSTRUAL-CYCLE

LoverOfLight
@Winederlust but with respect it isn't. Many elements of the sex and gender debate are social, philosophical or even theoretical

Well yes, thats Feminism for ya. All of that good stuff

MN need to be a lot clearer on the what they expect to be on the board before they even start thinking of a snappy title for it.

Considering that Justine has only agreed with Lover OL and Quaggars on here, we can see has absolutely no hope of ever understanding or considering 95% of MN users.

I'm cancelling my sub

(I have it on another account, I don't trust them with having my private and financial information linked one that posts on feminism since #Emmagate) Not one more penny and adblock is going immediately.

Has this ever happened before here, where decisions about a topic are made based on the opinions of those who don't use the topics and existing topic user views are dismissed?

It does come across as MN not wanting to 'host this debate' when it's presented like this.

I'm not in a position to sort it. Mumsnet need to do it.

@MouseyTheVampireSlayer

I'm not in a position to sort it. Mumsnet need to do it.

No, but you can follow steps to make it easier for yourself in the meantime.

Dear women who post in The Tack Room - we've talked to loads of other board users and decided to change the name of this board to The Glue Factory.

We decided we were much more interested in their opinions than we were in yours. Sorry if you don't like it.

It does come across as MN not wanting to 'host this debate' when it's presented like this.

And it leads us back to the timing of this being very interesting after Maya's success.

The site being called MUMSnet isn’t exclusive yet this hasn’t caused an issue or is that next.

On Twitter there are accounts that set up just to monitor FWR and purpose is to troll and harass mumsnetters. This is behaviour that raises red flags.

It’s not user friendly as woman that is also a mum who’s autistic - it’s messy disorganised and scattered. My sex based rights as woman are not up for to debate so that means post everything in feminism as otherwise men might assume otherwise

@Clymene 😂 excellent