So Mumsnet ignored our request to have something to do with 'feminism' or 'women' in the name of the 'naughty step' subtopic

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So we now have

Feminist Chat (which was our space anyway)

Sex and gender debate

If they had to go ahead with this spineless nonsense plan, many of us on the preferred names thread suggested it was essential to include feminism in the naughty step topic. You cannot take the debate on sex/gender away from feminism.

I think my suggestion was:

Feminism: Women's Sex Based Rights

LibFem

So not only are they ignoring us and forging ahead with this crap, they've removed any relationship to feminism and women from the subtopic name.

Absolutely disgusted. This feels so reminiscent of the erasure of the word 'women' in so many contexts. To take the word feminist out of this subtopic- @MNHQ can you explain this? Because it's awful.

Agreed. Most of us value FWR not because we want to have generalist debates about 'sex and gender' but because we want to discuss women's sex-based rights.

If MNHQ feel the need to create a new section for that, they could at least give it a name that reflects the feminist focus.

The original OP was about the talk guidelines being reconsidered in light of the Maya Forstarter judgement, which has also not been addressed.

Yup, I came on here to note this. I see a bunch of threads are now 'Sex & gender'. I really don't see the point of this.

I quite like 'feminist naughty step' tbh

Have just seen it's being discussed on a separate thread too but this looks like it's been done very quickly and I started this one.

To my knowledge they didn't bother to come on to that preferred names thread and discuss our suggestions. Clearly only dick-centred, fluffy kittens, empowered porn star 'feminism' is all that @MNHQ care about.

It's still in the feminism forum though
Plus the URL still says women's rights
So the word women and feminism is still there

words and *are still there, even!

It would at least have been courteous to have made an announcement about what's happening and what the policy will be for what goes where.

I have to say they've gone down in my estimation by doing all of this in the latter pages of a thread asking something different in Site Stuff. If there's one unequivocal thing that came out of these discussions it was that clarity should be key. Everyone's going to have different ideas about the new split and where the old threads from the other sub-boards have gone (Theory, Support etc).

I agree @CardinalLolzy. They couldn't even come onto our threads about this- not to the thread about preferred names- and engage at all. Gone down in my estimation too. Considered de-regging but there are so many fabulous women on here who have opened my eyes to all of this nonsense. I don't want to miss out on more of the collective knowledge we've built up on here.

@Quaggars

It's still in the feminism forum though Plus the URL still says women's rights So the word women and feminism is still there

Now, now. You said you would be glad not to have to see such threads.

Why are you here? You are self identified as one of the posters who wanted a space without all the GC stuff.

You said as much today, on another thread that may or may not be here, depending on how often it was bounced.

Now, now. You said you would be glad not to have to see such threads.

Where did I say that?
I said it's made it easier to see other threads so that more voices get a say and not just one.

I've reported my post and asked MN if they will give the reasoning behind the new subtopic names, so I wonder if they'll say anything.

To be fair, MNHQ have allowed a debate for years which has been banned almost anywhere else. It’s cost them time and anguish and probably money. And without them I don’t think we have made the progress we have. So I don’t think we should lambast them too much.

@WorkingItOutAsIGo I do agree with you that they have allowed the debate and I'm grateful for that. Without MN allowing the debate I would never have been so aware of what was actually happening. It's an endless source of information on the issues at play and the collective knowledge they have hosted has been so helpful to me personally.

I don't want to lambast them but I really am disappointed with them at caving on this because sex and 'gender' cannot be separated from feminism. I didn't support the board being split but If they chose to do it, why could they not include feminism in the title of this board?

Sex and gender and critical to feminism. I think it would have been better to have split the boards and made it clear which was for the liberal fake feminists, and which was for you know, the real kind. Rather than suggesting that sex and gender is not integral.

@WorkingItOutAsIGo

To be fair, MNHQ have allowed a debate for years which has been banned almost anywhere else. It’s cost them time and anguish and probably money. And without them I don’t think we have made the progress we have. So I don’t think we should lambast them too much.

I agree! I'd love to know why the sudden change! It's all very strange and very very annoying!!

@FlyPassed

I quite like 'feminist naughty step' tbh

Me too

Things that are annoying about this:

1. Original question about looking at special rules in light of Maya's ruling was deflected by a "look over there instead!"

2. Board splitting didn't even get its own thread, suggestion was hidden away on site stuff in the Maya thread mentioned above. Many users of the board will not even have been aware.

3. The voices of people who don't post here have been given more of a hearing than the voices of those who do.

4. How hard would it have been to listen to the users of the board about what we wanted to call it?

What I would like them to do about it.

Given that the splitting seems to be already done, no discussions - could we at least have a go at putting feminism back in the name please?

Tbh I'd have quite liked 'feminist naughty step'. At least it refers to feminism!

And LibFem- a load of bollox for those who centre bollox.

Maybe with pinned threads on how only fans is liberating

@WorkingItOutAsIGo

To be fair, MNHQ have allowed a debate for years which has been banned almost anywhere else. It’s cost them time and anguish and probably money. And without them I don’t think we have made the progress we have. So I don’t think we should lambast them too much.

Most of us have acknowledged that, often.

It's the timing, the oddness, of this that many of us are questioning.

@EndoplasmicReticulum

Things that are annoying about this:

1. Original question about looking at special rules in light of Maya's ruling was deflected by a "look over there instead!"

2. Board splitting didn't even get its own thread, suggestion was hidden away on site stuff in the Maya thread mentioned above. Many users of the board will not even have been aware.

3. The voices of people who don't post here have been given more of a hearing than the voices of those who do.

4. How hard would it have been to listen to the users of the board about what we wanted to call it?

What I would like them to do about it.

Given that the splitting seems to be already done, no discussions - could we at least have a go at putting feminism back in the name please?

Very well put - I agree with all of this. This is exactly how I feel.

I agree with what CriticalCondition says plus I'd also like to add if I may:
5) MNHQ aren't doing this in response to public demand - all the discussions I saw both on here and on Site Stuff were heavily against the split. By their own admission (on one of the threads I read) they have done it in response to lobbying via private emails.

Not democratic. I wouldn't have thought either that choosing to placate people who can't even be bothered to state their views on a public forum is particularly good for a business such as this.

Aaand right on cue...
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/4276869-Seeing-a-hidden-section

So I think we need to petition for a name change for the new section. Would LOVE Feminist Naughty Step!

@WorkingItOutAsIGo perhaps if we all email, that seems to work doesn't it? 😁

I'm so disappointed. They made this change with no announcement so only those of us on the thread on Site Stuff were told about a change happening on another board.

I'm really fed up with MN's handling of this. They ignored user's wishes, changed it without properly communicating the changed and sneaked what must already have been planned through off the back of a thread about another matter.