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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Victory for Maya!

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DancesWithTortoises · 10/06/2021 10:44

twitter.com/MForstater/status/1402922169559044096?s=20

Hurrah!

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kateluvscats · 10/06/2021 12:44

Could someone please summarize what happened and how this ruling will change things. I haven't been following the story but from the snippets I've read the outcome sounds like good news.

AlwaysColdHands · 10/06/2021 12:46

So cheered to hear this. Thank you Maya

MorrisZapp · 10/06/2021 12:48

She's being interviewed on Times Radio now!!!

InspiralCoalescenceRingdown · 10/06/2021 12:49

Hoorah!

BettyUnderswoob · 10/06/2021 12:49

“Be braver today than you were yesterday”

Thanks to this courageous woman, I will be.

StealthPolarBear · 10/06/2021 12:52

Wonderful wonderful wonderful

justanotherneighinparadise · 10/06/2021 12:53

It will change things in terms of it being acceptable to take action against a gender critical person for no reason other than their views.

The clause being banded about explains that the ruling does not give a gender critical person the right to harass trans people in the same way that a Christian person can’t be blatantly homophobic. Misgendering is going to be an interesting part of the next tribunal. If you are GC and believe that sex is a biological fact, not a belief, then do you have the right to potentially misgender someone who under law would still be considered to the sex they were determined at birth? Do pronouns trump biology? I have no idea. It’s fascinating.

justanotherneighinparadise · 10/06/2021 12:53

*unacceptable.

osbertthesyrianhamster · 10/06/2021 12:54

Thank you, Maya!

CatChant · 10/06/2021 12:55

Hurray!

Thank you, Maya. Your courage is an inspiration.

Brownteddybear · 10/06/2021 12:55

Thank you Maya you Starand all of you who are brave enough to speak out and help women and children and society as a whole Thanks

Bunshaped · 10/06/2021 12:56

It's been a momentous week.

Plenty of sunlight around, and not just in the sky!

HermioneWeasley · 10/06/2021 12:58

Waiting for all the bleating about the timing of this judgement being during Pride month

Amazing bravery from Maya. Thousands of women owe her a debt of gratitude

aloris · 10/06/2021 12:59

That is a big relief.

HarmonicAnalysis · 10/06/2021 13:01

Delighted and relieved to see this news! Go Maya! Well done and thank you for your courage.

Notyours · 10/06/2021 13:02

Its great, but, dear God, how has it come to this?

Its 2021 and we are celebrating that that women are legally allowed to say women are of the female sex and that matters?

It also makes Keir Starmer's ' we will allow self-ID' look like even more of a ' FUCK YOU' to women given as he timed that announcement to pre-empt Maya's judgement.

All these institutions and governments around the world should ashamed of themselves that it has come to this.

And I can't for the dear life of me understand how ME TOO can be such a movement everyone and every politician claims to be around whilst simultaneously eroding basic safeguarding by removing single sex spaces, and intimidating women and girls out of speaking up about behaviour that makes them feel unsafe because that would be transphobic. It just shows how shallowly they have really thought about all the issues underlying that ME TOO slogan.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 10/06/2021 13:04

Wonderful and thank you Maya!

battymaggot · 10/06/2021 13:05

A great day for women, the adult human female kind. It vindicates the truth. It highlights the shocking prejudice that has brought us to this position. There remains a lot to do and many obstacles to overcome. Deep and institutional misogyny is alive and well. It is personified by the treatment of Marion Miller. The police are shamed by her arrest and charge.

justanotherneighinparadise · 10/06/2021 13:05

It’s been allowed to happen because the pendulum has swung too far left after having been stuck too far right for decades. Now we fight for common sense and where that middle line is.

Zzelda · 10/06/2021 13:06

Great result. But it is worth noting the qualifications:

"This judgment does not mean that those with gender-critical beliefs can ‘misgender’ trans persons with impunity. The Claimant, like everyone else, will continue to be subject to the prohibitions on discrimination and harassment that apply to everyone
else. Whether or not conduct in a given situation does amount to harassment or discrimination within the meaning of EqA will be for a tribunal to determine in a given case.

This judgment does not mean that trans persons do not have the protections against discrimination and harassment conferred by the EqA. They do. Although the protected characteristic of gender reassignment under s.7, EqA would be likely to apply only to a proportion of trans persons, there are other protected characteristics that could potentially be relied upon in the face of such conduct.

This judgment does not mean that employers and service providers will not be able to provide a safe environment for trans persons. Employers would continue to be liable (subject to any defence under s.109(4), EqA) for acts of harassment and discrimination against trans persons committed in the course of employment."

InvisibleDragon · 10/06/2021 13:10

Nice factual, balanced article in the Guardian too:
www.theguardian.com/law/2021/jun/10/gender-critical-views-protected-belief-appeal-tribunal-rules-maya-forstater?

Notyours · 10/06/2021 13:11

This judgment does not mean that trans persons do not have the protections against discrimination and harassment conferred by the EqA
Well quite right, they should be free from discrimination and harassment. GC views are not about harassing people because they are trans.

justanotherneighinparadise · 10/06/2021 13:15

@Notyours

This judgment does not mean that trans persons do not have the protections against discrimination and harassment conferred by the EqA Well quite right, they should be free from discrimination and harassment. GC views are not about harassing people because they are trans.
I think there’s this really odd notion that GC women are striding around bothering people. The reality is we’re trying to move away from males, not towards them.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/06/2021 13:16

Well quite right, they should be free from discrimination and harassment. GC views are not about harassing people because they are trans.

Exactly, as Joanna Cherry pointed out on the Today programme this morning. This is about gender critical (mostly) women being protected from discrimination, harassment or victimisation simply on the grounds of expressing their belief that sex matters and women are biologically female.

NotMeekNotObedient · 10/06/2021 13:17

Fab news! Her statement was great!