R4 now Tuesday 7.51 am

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Discussing Stonewall.

BC was at Channel 4 News for about 2 minutes, seemed to make all his reports about him.

slight aside to this
we went to a NT property with unisex loos (formally female)
I went in - as a older man my dh used the disabled loo (I think he would have found some bushes in preference if he couldn't use that!)
I thought it was quite funny
I think there is at last a common sense backlash against these fundamentalist trans extremist views - the misunderstanding of the difference between sex & gender & understanding the rights of safety & privacy based on sexual vulnerability

It was absolutely brilliant

@BlackeyedSusan

Safeguarding,and sport mentioned

Oooh! Will they be calling Simon a 'dog whistler?'

BC absolutely encapsulated the 'you can't say that' culture - or you have to prove your credentials before you're allowed to voice an opinion. People are losing patience with that.

Once you've been following this for a while you start to see that 'you can't say that' isn't 'one can't say that' but is directed at specific "yous", while not applying to other "yous". Once you start seeing the hypocrisy and the double standards it becomes intolerable.

@Vargas

Benjamin Cohen: 'Gender critical is a polite way of saying transphobia' - FFS

And Justin picked him straight up on that! 'Hang on no it isn't'. Hurrah!

I've just noticed that Stonewall are advertising for a much needed communications lead. The recruitment analysis form is a corker. It asks for gender (not sex) and 'romantic orientation' as well as sexuality. I'm sure they've no right to do this under GDPR when gender identity and romantic orientation are not part of the Equality Act 2010.

www.stonewall.org.uk/jobs/communications-planning-lead

I’m not the romantic type. Are they asking for a date?

Benjamin has apologised for assuming Justin's gender identity

Omg, just listened to it. Even after everyone's comments, I was not expecting that ending. Glorious.

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Justin

I think Justin should take up the offer of that interview and make a few points

Oh i am loving it.

Listened to that on the school run. It triggered a very interesting starter discussion with my 2 DS's aged 12 and 10.

Seriously, when I think back over my career, I'm astonished at what these men call hostility.

Some of them have no idea at all.

It looks as though BC would like to force JW to declare a gender identity to make a point.

The GRA came into law to protect privacy, but BC clearly has no respect for the human rights law that enabled the existence of GRCs in the first place.

Yes, “hostility” now means “being asked to explain something through the medium of facts not woo woo and lies”.

It looks as though BC would like to force JW to declare a gender identity to make a point.

I'm sure that probably contravenes the Yogyakarta Principles?

'And Justin picked him straight up on that! 'Hang on no it isn't'. Hurrah!'

Loved that bit! These people are rarely challenged on anything that they say. 'Transphobia' is a serious accusation that they are allowed to throw around and they are never asked to back it up

Apologies but I can't find it from the link posted earlier? Could anyone post it again? Thanks

@Grimbelina

Apologies but I can't find it from the link posted earlier? Could anyone post it again? Thanks

R4? About 1hr 50 mins in.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000wrjn

I would just love the questions to be answered. Define a woman. Define lesbian. Can two male individuals be lesbians. Or a male and a female, and if so, how are they subjected to homophobia?

The Staniland question.

The sports issue.

I'd also like them to be confronted with a woman who says I do not give my consent for male individuals to be in my space. What do you say to that?

That was a joyous listen, demonstrated everything perfectly. If BC hadn’t have been so incensed that the issue was even being discussed he might have got some clear counter arguments across just like SF did clearly and concisely. He was just so angry he forgot the interview was about Stonewall and not just about him and how he is oppressed.

I think people in general are heartily sick of this "how very dare you" minefield and have lost patience with university graduates who claim victimhood, while denouncing others from their high profile media platform in their white, educated, middle class voices. It's the phenomenon identified by Lucy Mcdonagh of the Deptford Project way back in 2015 - That’s what ‘self-identify’ means: anyone can say they are anyone… So, rich, privileged people can claim to be marginalized.

It seemed to me that BC absolutely encapsulated the 'you can't say that' culture - or you have to prove your credentials before you're allowed to voice an opinion. People are losing patience with that. More and more people want, and are willing, to discuss the Emperor's sartorial choices and the derailing and merailing just doesn't work anymore.

Absolutely this. I've bolded Lucy's statement as it's so important.

Good point

" Paralithic Tue 08-Jun-21 10:03:37

Yes, “hostility” now means “being asked to explain something through the medium of facts not woo woo and lies”. "