R4 now Tuesday 7.51 am

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Discussing Stonewall.

anyone who listens to Today on radio four knows there is a style of interview. bens was not it. so far from it it was on a different continent. did not follow any of the social norms for such interviews.

other listeners would spot it too.

@smallspeckbigcloud

I presume BC can say Stonewall aren't trying to stop refuges from being women only spaces with all 'honesty' as he believes transwomen are women. That's the problem with taking long established and meaningful definitions from words. You can't communicate anymore.

iirc JW was talking about 'single-sex' spaces and the exemptions fairly clearly but at the last point when BC denied it, JW did use the term 'women-only' or something similar, so perhaps on a very disingenuous technicality that specific answer to that specific question could have been interpreted as correct.

That's why I think Justin Webb will be spoken to by a senior BBC bod BlackeyedSusan.

BC also claiming that JW was 'angry'. JW wasn't angry at all. Just not allowing BC to rant away and take cheap pot shots.

Maybe not allowing BC to do anything he (or however they identify) wants, no matter how peevish is being hostile.

It is almost as if the truth is hostile. And they think nobody can see reality.

I looked BC up on wiki out of curiosity because he sounded so immature and disorganised in his thinking. I can ‘t believe he is 38.

Safeguarding say it again safeguarding

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@CuriousaboutSamphire

I'm only commenting so I remember to listen to it later 😀

So am I - I tried to find the programme but couldn't. Maybe someone will post a link

Mainstream (and reality) definition of woman is as a particular sex. Men are the other sex in humans. This is not a fringe representation of reality to be usurped by a non-scientific philosophical view.

LINK IS HERE
About 1hr 50 mins in.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000wrjn

Justin Webb has retweeted James Kirkup’s thread that points out Stonewall’s explicit intentions.

twitter.com/justinonweb/status/1402183958859812865?s=21

@nauticant

It really is well worth listening to. The link is:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000wrjn

but it won't be available till after 9am. Maybe try half 9 or 10. As the title above says, 7.51am so 1 hours 51 minutes in.

Oh yoyu have posted a link.

Thank you nauticant

Much obliged.

Thank you, too Lolzy

@WarriorN

Women pointing out what stonewall actually said are transphobic trolls apparently says BC.

The TRA dictionary:

Hostility - women saying no
Trolling - providing facts
Transphobic - everything other than what I want

@nauticant

That's why I think Justin Webb will be spoken to by a senior BBC bod BlackeyedSusan.

I took it that Susan was saying BC was way off the norm for an interviewee on the Today Programme, not that JW was carrying out the interview in a different way. I don't normally listen to the TP these days, so rarely hear the big political interviews, but I've heard many, many politicians over the years absolutely put through the wringer on the BBC. Eddie Mair saying to Boris Johnson 'You're a nasty piece of work, aren't you? was a highlight.

Can't fathom the remarks shouldn't have presumed JW's 'gender identity'. Maybe JW isn't a believer in 'gender identity', so hasn't adopted one. It is like you if you are not RC, you must be Anglican. Em, no.

BC should have said that he apologised for presuming that other people believe in this 'gender identity' ideology at all and thus tar them as being 'Cis Gender'.

@littlbrowndog

Safeguarding say it again safeguarding

I thought the better quote was when SF said something like ‘safeguarding is about thinking about the worst possible outcome or event and eliminating that risk as far as possible’ . Precisely. The need for single sex spaces to keep women safe in a nutshell. And with that provision in place the anxiety that women feel about sharing spaces because of other cultural , religious and social worries is also dealt with.

Kathy Burke saying that Benjamin Cohen “handled it well” on Twitter. was she listening to the same interview??? I’m GC (or “transphobic!” as BC would scream) and still feel for the sake of a reasoned and nuanced debate (which is what is needed as we know) Trans people deserve better representation than his ridiculous tantrumming.

Well, just listened. Reminds me of the days of trying to converse with toddlers. Perhaps BC was feeling hangry

Just listened. That tantrum was glorious. Well done Justin!

@JustSpeculation

I found BC very difficult to listen to. I have a very low threshold for vicarious embarrassment.

He ran out of feet to shoot himself in.

to be fair, I would probably interview worse....

@BlackeyedSusan

anyone who listens to Today on radio four knows there is a style of interview. bens was not it. so far from it it was on a different continent. did not follow any of the social norms for such interviews.

other listeners would spot it too.

I listened, as I do every day. Ben had every opportunity to answer the question posed. It's an interview after all. But he obviously couldn't. So he resorted to accusations of transphobia, insulting the interviewer, bizarrely asking if it was worse to be discriminated against because he was gay or Jewish - completely irrelevant - and waffle. Justin finally put him out of his misery.

Good interviewers ask testing questions and good interviewees make a cogent, coherent case for their point of view. Ben couldn't even answer the opening question. As for Justin being 'spoken to' within the BBC this will, I am sure, be 'Oh God you had a right one this morning didn't you Justin'

I enjoyed that so much. Went off Times radio when they had BC on talking about this stuff with no comeback from Matt Wattsisface a few months ago. That was perfect.

@littlbrowndog

Cohen could off given up his place to a trans person surely to be interviewed as he was moaning that there was no trans person on

That is what I was thinking. The reason there were no trans voices is because he was presuming to take their place.