If you avoid the feminist section then at least read this article

[RedthroatedCaracara]

because all females need to be aware of this

And there's no need to have an attack of the vapours because it's a Daily Mail link. For all their multitude of shortcomings, the Mail at least have the guts to publish articles that stand up for women and girls.

gov.wales/sites/default/files/publications/2021-03/atisn14848doc56.pdf

I do not know whether this link will work but this is the one I found as the first hit on google.

Here are some highlights for you:

All permanent and fixed term appointment employees who have completed at least 26 weeks’ continuous service with the Welsh Government, are eligible to apply for 39 weeks’ statutory maternity or adoption pay

What all employees????? Surely not, only one sex class of employee can or will get pregnant.

I made a mistake father is mentioned twice once here:

If you are a permanent employee (including fixed term appointments) who is the expectant father or the spouse or partner in an enduring relationship (including same sex marriage and civil partnership) of someone who is having a baby

and the second time here

Supporting Parents of Ill or Premature Babies

Employees who are fathers / partners may also need support and flexibility to allow them to take time off to help their family at this difficult time

Can't even bring themselves to mention mothers there, nice.

All reasonable steps will be taken to provide a healthy and safe environment for nursing employees to express milk.

There you go nursing employees lovely.

It can’t be named ‘male violence’ as TWAW. And in order to earn Stonewall points, most police forces only record stated gender - without question.

Please put your views into the correct topic

Why does it matter you ask? Because it is a policy to protect women who become mothers from discrimination and yet women and mothers don't merit a mention.

Why can’t it be named? Why can’t it be male violence if it’s committed by a trans woman?

Crimes by transwomen have been recorded as women's crimes.

This is from the Fair Play for Women website

Female sex offenders: it starts with the police

In 2018 Fair Play For Women discovered through Freedom of Information requests to all 43 separate police forces in England and Wales that many were recording perpetrators by their self-declared gender identity, and not by their sex. This was the case whether or not they had a Gender Recognition Certificate.

The Crown Prosecution Service also expects its prosecutors to refer to defendants by their self-identified gender instead of birth or legal sex, whether or not they have a GRC. So the charges may refer to a woman, even if that person is legally male. Its guidance on transgender issues appears to have been developed in consultation with numerous trans activist groups but no women’s groups.

All permanent and fixed term appointment employees who have completed at least 26 weeks’ continuous service with the Welsh Government, are eligible to apply for 39 weeks’ statutory maternity or adoption pay

Whatallemployees????? Surely not, only one sex class of employee can or will get pregnant.

I think the key thing there is that it also mentions adoption pay, in the same sentence. People of both sex classes can adopt.

@oioisaveloy108

Please put your views into the correct topic

Stop trying to police where people chose to post you are not MNHQ, if this thread is of no interest to you scroll on by no-one is forcing you to read it or post on it.

@RedDogsBeg

OP is actively trying to avoid the topic they know where there post should go.

They've purposely used AIBU to garner more attention and responses for something that already has its own topic

Why does it matter you ask? Because it is a policy to protectwomenwho becomemothersfrom discrimination and yet women and mothers don't merit a mention.

But the policy is not designed to only protect women and mothers. It is designed to protect the rights of all people who become parents, including transgender parents, adoptive parents (including same-sex couples) and people who identify differently.

It might not mention 'mothers', but of course it includes them. None of your rights as a mother have been taken away because of this.

oioisaveloy108

This subject is of interest to all women and men who care about sex based rights. It should not be consigned to a feminist forum.

I did not consider myself a feminist until I realised what was happening to women and girls in the name of 'inclusion'. Then I scratched the surface and saw the impact on homosexuals and transexuals.

I'm absolutely sick of people trying to imply this is a niche topic. It isn't. It affects everyone.

@lifeturnsonadime

Why can’t it be named? Why can’t it be male violence if it’s committed by a trans woman?

Crimes by transwomen have been recorded as women's crimes.

This is from the Fair Play for Women website

Female sex offenders: it starts with the police

In 2018 Fair Play For Women discovered through Freedom of Information requests to all 43 separate police forces in England and Wales that many were recording perpetrators by their self-declared gender identity, and not by their sex. This was the case whether or not they had a Gender Recognition Certificate.

The Crown Prosecution Service also expects its prosecutors to refer to defendants by their self-identified gender instead of birth or legal sex, whether or not they have a GRC. So the charges may refer to a woman, even if that person is legally male. Its guidance on transgender issues appears to have been developed in consultation with numerous trans activist groups but no women’s groups.

So, is that in law now? That the police record the sex of the person based on what sex that person says they are?

Pretty much every AIBU thread could be put in its own topic. Why single out this one?

I'm also surprised to see how many people are unable to review and critique the article on its own merits

Indeed. They're even bringing her husband into it as though SV is responsible for Michael Gove's policies.

@RedDogsBeg

gov.wales/sites/default/files/publications/2021-03/atisn14848doc56.pdf

I do not know whether this link will work but this is the one I found as the first hit on google.

Here are some highlights for you:

All permanent and fixed term appointment employees who have completed at least 26 weeks’ continuous service with the Welsh Government, are eligible to apply for 39 weeks’ statutory maternity or adoption pay

What all employees????? Surely not, only one sex class of employee can or will get pregnant.

I made a mistake father is mentioned twice once here:

If you are a permanent employee (including fixed term appointments) who is the expectant father or the spouse or partner in an enduring relationship (including same sex marriage and civil partnership) of someone who is having a baby

and the second time here

Supporting Parents of Ill or Premature Babies

Employees who are fathers / partners may also need support and flexibility to allow them to take time off to help their family at this difficult time

Can't even bring themselves to mention mothers there, nice.

All reasonable steps will be taken to provide a healthy and safe environment for nursing employees to express milk.

There you go nursing employees lovely.

Ok, so that one HR policy document refers to ‘employees’ and ‘nursing’ (which isn’t new, my first maternity bra was a ‘nursing’ bra) - but every other welsh document (as linked!) talks about mothers, women, breastfeeding and so on.

So how widespread is this problem?

@RedthroatedCaracara

I'm also surprised to see how many people are unable to review and critique the article on its own merits

Indeed. They're even bringing her husband into it as though SV is responsible for Michael Gove's policies.

Did you ever say what her point was about Davina McCalls dress?

So, is that in law now? That the police record the sex of the person based on what sex that person says they are?

No it isn't, but Stonewall has implied that it is via it's Diversity Scheme, which has led to government departments doing this.

Whether it is law or not is irrelevant when there has been such policy capture.

Thankfully this has been finally been recognised and the MOJ has stated this week that it no longer intends to subscribe to the Stonewall scheme. It is unclear on what will happen on the recording of crimes by the police and what will happen about trans inmates in the female prison estate. Damage has already been done.

So, is that in law now? That the police record the sex of the person based on what sex that person says they are?

Guidance rather than law, I believe, but that's what police forces are doing.

fairplayforwomen.com/police_record_males_as_female/

And by the way the reason that Stonewall is now coming under criticism is precisely because women care enough about language and can see the threat of trans ideology on women's rights.

If we all just shut up about it and said it was irrelevant then nothing would get done.

Thank goodness for the pesky women who won't keep quiet.

Policing comes under the Home Office, not MoJ.

HO have not yet left SW.

www.essex.ac.uk/blog/posts/2021/05/17/review-of-two-events-with-external-speakers

This is worth reading in regards to the Stonewall guidance, which is followed widely in this country, being unlawful.

@LangClegsInSpace

Policing comes under the Home Office, not MoJ.

HO have not yet left SW.

Thanks for clarifying this so MOJ is the court system and not the police.

Workplace policies should be as inclusive as possible. Whether you agree or not, there will be transmen who become pregnant, will need to use the policy, and do not call themselves mother

There were over 500,000 lives births in England & Wales in 2020. Any idea how many were born to transmen?

Bravo. If you give birth you are a mother by definition. I’m so sick of minorities pretending to fight for “equality” but actually they are suggesting the majority should bend to their will. I don’t want to be gender neutral, and why should I to make someone else feel better.

[quote oioisaveloy108]@RedDogsBeg

OP is actively trying to avoid the topic they know where there post should go.

They've purposely used AIBU to garner more attention and responses for something that already has its own topic [/quote]
OP is actively trying to avoid the topic they know where there post should go.

Again, you are not the MNHQ thread and topic police, it's not your call.

They've purposely used AIBU to garner more attention and responses for something that already has its own topic

So? What's it to you? No-one has to respond if they don't wish to. There are thousands of threads posted on AIBU 'for traffic' do you stalk them and tell the OP's to put them in a different topic?

Also this ridiculousness around pronouns. Referring to an individual as “they” doesn’t make sense... one person cannot be multiple people as suggested with words that are intended to define plurals. Just make a word up if you don’t like what existing words actually mean