Are you put off booking a holiday in Scotland by the Marion Miller case and the Scottish police carping about stickers?

[ChristinaXYZ]

I know that the chances of being harassed by the police on holiday are minimal but the whole atmosphere: law changes, the SNP attitude to women, the police tweeting about stickers etc - would you really want to holiday in such a pool of chilling effects? It is really changing how I feel about Scotland (in the sense of those currently running it - I'm not blaming the average Scot obviously) and I know if I went there it would be on my mind all the time. Chilling effects do not equal a holiday feeling is what I am saying I guess.

And the barman should be sacked for posting that.

[quote Soberanne]@AnyOldPrion thank you for your post. I totally understand that and agree that people should have safe places ie toilets and changing rooms, especially in schools, hospitals etc

But i don't think scaremongering and in some of the early posts suggesting that people may be arrested if they come to scotland are going to help in any way. Because the chances are about 0.. Scotland is by most a welcoming and safe country where the majority of people just live their lives. We are accepting and are trying to find ways to accommodate everyone. Its not an easy task.

As a society we need to work out ways that keeps everyone safe and gives everyone the dignity and respect they need. Thats not going to happen when theres such extreme scaremongering.

Do i agree that the Marion should have been arrested. If from what i have read then No. but we dont actually know what was in the tweets.[/quote]
Thanks for responding. I agree that excessive scaremongering doesn’t help anyone. The vast majority of women who go on holiday to either Scotland or the country where I live will be perfectly safe.

However there are beginning to be some limitations. They ought to be able to wear what they want, and known feminists should be allowed to go about their daily lives without harassment, but it is beginning to be apparent that certain political slogans on clothes, or simply being known for their views, might put women at risk of arrest, or of bullying behaviour. And that should worry us all, even if the chances are small. It should not be happening at all.

Marion was not arrested for being in The Doctors pub, but was ejected by the police, for being who she is, and perhaps for leaving postcards with feminist information.

Those things are a clear sign that something is going wrong in society. I’m torn here between understanding there is genuine cause for alarm, and knowing that by not challenging this, you can probably keep out of trouble. That in itself is a deeply worrying principle.

I’m not really seeing the “accepting […] and trying to find ways to accommodate everyone” middle path you describe here. Given that Marion does appear to have been ejected from a bar by someone who is behaving very aggressively on Twitter isn’t giving me much confidence that there is any balance here.

Scaremongering doesn’t help anyone, but neither does pretending there’s no problem when clearly there is.

Report here

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I was contemplating a move to Scotland but wouldn’t now. I don’t even feel comfortable holidaying there anymore. It’s a beautiful country with lovely people, so sad.

Also what’s the “fae” about in his tweets? — “fae Doctors” ?

I’m familiar with the Green party officer whose pronouns are fae/faerself but can’t tell if this is relevant or not.

This is at least the fourth situation I've read about where the police have been used to remove feminists from a situation where they were minding their own business. It's only #DefundThePolice and #ACAB when it comes to rapists and murderers; women having a drink are legitimate targets. I would live to know what crimes were being ignored while the police were wasting their own time on this business. This is what happens when those who call a difference of opinion 'actual violence' are let loose in reality.

More from people that were there

@LazyViper

Also what’s the “fae” about in his tweets? — “fae Doctors” ?

I’m familiar with the Green party officer whose pronouns are fae/faerself but can’t tell if this is relevant or not.

From - it's a shortening of the vernacular "frae"

It's a legitimate vernacular word. (Although I have to say the faux Irvine Welsh style of writing sets my teeth on edge)

Marion Millar's tweet - sorry, this is a screenshot of a retweet of someone quoting it.

The bar manager appears to have no common sense. To tweet at length about this from an account which apparently is also used for nude pictures and accounts of sexual activity is just stupid as well as deeply unsavoury and inappropriate. Just saw on Twitter a tweet about being a children's entertainer amongst other jobs. Account now locked (by bar manager - probably belatedly realised that screenshots were being taken).

Really disgraceful incident.

Interesting that her friends were targeted only after having been associated with her.

I'd like to see how that pans out.

Women with the wrong opinions are not allowed in, neither is anyone they know?

But some aggressive porn addict on Twitter can go around calling these women cunts, and that's fine?

@LazyViper

“I hope you understand how much normal people despise you” is a chilling remark for a bartender to tweet about a group of customers.

Seething hatred for women over the age of thirty is one of the central tenets of this new misogyny, and seems to be so relished by young TRAs.

I agree. Surely this person should be sacked for this?? Not to mention calling the female customer a c*

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

The bar manager appears to have no common sense. To tweet at length about this from an account which apparently is also used for nude pictures and accounts of sexual activity is just stupid as well as deeply unsavoury and inappropriate. Just saw on Twitter a tweet about being a children's entertainer amongst other jobs. Account now locked (by bar manager - probably belatedly realised that screenshots were being taken).

Really disgraceful incident.

The lack of maturity and intelligence of this bar person beggars belief. Is this person even old enough to serve alcohol let alone be the public face of the brewery company (named in one of the tweets)?

Hmmm, I wonder what the Greene King social media policy for staff is....

@JustcameoutGC

Hmmm, I wonder what the Greene King social media policy for staff is....

I can only infer it's something along the lines of "Don't call customers cunts on Twitter, unless they really deserve it (see Appendix A)".

Marion was not even there for a long time. Just popped in for a drink

I like this review though. The beer was warm at the end. BOOM

@JustcameoutGC

Hmmm, I wonder what the Greene King social media policy for staff is....

I’m sure that the CEO of Greene King will find out soon enough that one of its bar managers has called its female customers “c**” and sack this person.

Until this happens, I shall be boycotting all venues owned by GK.

If anyone wants to email Greene King either to voice concern about this particular event or just eg to check what the company policy is on admitting people with certain protected beliefs, or dress code for T-shirts for that matter then here is the CEO and customer service email addresses:

[email protected]

[email protected]

(Belhaven is tpart of Greene King)

No

@Leafstamp

If anyone wants to email Greene King either to voice concern about this particular event or just eg to check what the company policy is on admitting people with certain protected beliefs, or dress code for T-shirts for that matter then here is the CEO and customer service email addresses:

[email protected]

[email protected]

(Belhaven is tpart of Greene King)

Great!

I think a more pertinent question would not be about the clothes worn by any customers but about the vile way of talking about GK customers on social media.

Is it a trendy teenybopper bar? I’d rather not pay to drink in a roomful of highly triggerable ninnies.

@KittenKong sorry i didn't realise that he called the police solely on just recognising her. I had assumed they must have been doing something to attract his attention, as people dont normally go around calling the police.

The more i am reading this thread the more shocked i am becoming.

@yourhairiswinterfire

So is it just women (or cunts as this delightful charmer calls them) that believe in reality that this vile individual has a problem with, or would he be equally as ''brave'' if a group of men who believe in reality walked in? 🤔

Perhaps some GC minded men might put that to the test. I wouldn't avoid Scotland because of this loathesome sexist , porn addled cretin. But I would certainly boycott the bar that employs him.

Allegedly Marion Miller and friends had the police called on them last night at an establishment in Edinburgh to ask them to leave.

This is an archived tweet thread of the owner's perspective. Allegations include leaving Gender Critical material behind in bathrooms, shouting at staff, other customers complaining about the group and the group declining to leave. Marion appears to deny any wrongdoing on her Twitter.

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