EHRC cuts ties with Stonewall.

[Novina]

Has anyone else seen this? From Sex Matters:

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/press-release-equality-and-human-rights-commission-cuts-ties-with-stonewall

See LOJ wants funding from the masses for his own media channel where he promises that if you pay/subscribe to it they will talk about whatever issue you want to talk about - yeah, right!

@RedDogsBeg

See LOJ wants funding from the masses for his own media channel where he promises that if you pay/subscribe to it they will talk about whatever issue you want to talk about - yeah, right!

If we all chip in, will he host a discussion about GC feminism?

Well he has promised Betty and he wouldn't lie would he.....

I actually would like to see something like that. I would like to see the key points from both sides being put forward and analysed on a respected forum, so the argument can really stand on their own merits.

But I guess the problem is that the arguments DO NOT add up to scrutiny and so no one from Stonewall et Al will risk it.

For instance :

Sw: Puberty blockers are harmless, fully reversible, a pause button....

Mn: here is all the evidence that they are not, plus the fact that the NHS gave changed their advice, Sweden has banned them....

SW: bigot!!

Won't wash....

I actually worry about OJ sometimes. The hyperbole is something to see.

Here you are @LizzieSiddal Hope the link works.

Stonewall should stay out of trans rights war.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4972efe4-ba6d-11eb-98e3-d1306649ebf7?shareToken=0c20b66d946929e7391e6795d5448237

From the documents on Sex Matters, I think that news was embargoed from when it happened until last night? I may be wrong tho'

Will be interesting to see when the Proud Employers website is updated then.

I would have thought if the EHRC withdrawal had been subject to an embargo, then a website update would have had time to be synchronised?

Isn’t that generally how an embargo works?

You'd a thought the EHRC might be rethinking their own internal workings but job ads from today show they're still not quite there.

twitter.com/Sexnotgender_/status/1396516087735455753

Sorry haven't had time to read replies since page 1 so this may have already been posted.

But I think it is noteworthy.

On the BBC Radio 4 news headlines at 1pm today this was an item. And it also mentioned what had happened at Essex University.

It may not have had much impact on Radio 4 listeners, but it may have made the BBC think a bit about how much of the Stonewall hogwash they have not only swallowed, but then repeated as though fact.

A close friend of mine is senior HR/training at nestle, I asked her if they're dropping SW and she hadn't heard yet. My employer is also a "champion" and no chance of us leaving whilst the main relationship manager is still employed by us.

Fanny thanks!

The interesting one to watch will be government departments. They're all on the list at the moment.

I want to agree with this pp from way up thread
So I’m happy to say “That’s great, EHRC, good decision. Now, moving on, let’s carry on talking about what we do when protected characteristics clash”.

I think that's key. The new chair is obviously taking a v different line, and I agree with someone that pointed out that she will have had to be brave behind the scenes to do this (&the maya intervention), so it looks like she (& others? New trustees?) are willing to talk about how rights come into conflict and that's where the hard work begins. I hope she gets support in moving into that tricky work, I certainly appreciate what she appears to be starting to do but that's where they've got to go.

If I remember rightly, the parliamentary enquiry into the equality act recommended that ehrc produce guidence including case studies which would help services use the single sex exemptions. But they declined to do so. Maybe they can be encouraged to rethink that now?

We also need to identify & persue legal cases that will create case law on how to manage the conflict between the pc of gender reassignment & sex where single sex exemptions are used. That would be the most decisive way of preventing orgs like sw from getting their own version of the law into company policies. It can work both ways though of course.

On the wording on the BBC story - it could be that it's a statement given to the BBC journalist rather than an edited cut & paste from sex matters. That's the impression I got from the journalist's tweet. He said "statement from ehrc...".You would hope the BBC would contact ehrc directly.

OJ has worked himself up into such a frenzy I think he’s about to go into orbit.

His anti-Times hysterics are a little worrying. Does he really believe he's making himself look good and winning the argument?

He's probably livid about Kathleen Stock being featured in the Guardian but he's got to vent his frustration elsewhere. Poor boy.

good news.

Employers will start looking at their Stonewall membership as a risk.

This is great news.

The tide is definitely turning.

EHRC has provided a benign no-fault divorce template to all organisations. Allowing them to each 'review their budgets' and decide how better to get 'value for money'. This approach will likely result in more organisations making the break, than a self-flagellating mea culpa would.

a no fault divorce template is a brilliant analogy @Barracker

A template to quietly make the problem go away. no public body policy team will want the backlash from publicly stating that being aligned to Stonewall goes against the Nolan principles.

It was reported again this morning on R4

Making the main news headlines again.

EHRC has provided a benign no-fault divorce template to all organisations. Allowing them to each 'review their budgets' and decide how better to get 'value for money'. This approach will likely result in more organisations making the break, than a self-flagellating mea culpa would.

It will be interesting to see if Stonewall encourages any company special interest committees to claim that withdrawing from the scheme indicates a hostile work environment. I'd like to see the company's ask for evidence of that alongside a 'value for money' case.

It was interesting to see Arty Morty on The Mess We're In #54 say that he used to find rainbow stickers and such comforting 10 or more years ago, but they've shifted their semiotics (I'm paraphrasing) and now when he sees it he is apprehensive about what it signals about attitudes to thoughts and compelled speech.

The scheme makes for a hostile environment for many women, especially lesbian feminists.

It was interesting to see Arty Morty on The Mess We're In #54 say that he used to find rainbow stickers and such comforting 10 or more years ago, but they've shifted their semiotics (I'm paraphrasing) and now when he sees it he is apprehensive about what it signals about attitudes to thoughts and compelled speech.

He certainly isn’t the only one who feels like this, many of us do.