EHRC cuts ties with Stonewall.

[Novina]

Has anyone else seen this? From Sex Matters:

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/press-release-equality-and-human-rights-commission-cuts-ties-with-stonewall

Here’s a shareToken for the ACAS article. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/adc11a5e-bf1b-11eb-a904-b6ed9daa84aa?shareToken=79ac4bd6edd49c896b98e36b3903fdfa

Good. There are numerous bodies who are compromising their supposed impartiality by being signed up to this scheme. ACAS is a key one, all judicial bodies and agencies including CPS and unions should be distancing themselves from this scheme. It fundamentally conflicts with their missions.

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ACAS. Brilliant. This is filling me with joy!!

"For costs reasons" is an excellent excuse.

And it's not just the cost of the scheme membership at £2,500; is also the cost of employees time for the application, the drafting and redrafting etc with the policies when Stonewall marks their homework, the time spent having to deal with any complaints and grievances from women when they remove our single-sex provisions, and then the extortionate costs of legal action when there is a Judicial Review or someone sues them for their unlawful actions because they followed Stonewall's erroneous advice.

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ACAS. Brilliant. This is filling me with joy!!

Same!!

Bring on the domino effect!

Well that is good news. I can’t see how any public body can remain a member of an organisation that has misstated the law in relation to a PC.

Excellent, paying for erroneous legal advice is no way to spend public money.

Stonewall aren't actually themselves lawyers, don't have a high level in-house lawyer position, and only have one lawyer (specialising in fraud, not equality law) on their board of trustees - and trustees are not involved in day to day operations.

So we ought to be scrupulously fair and point out that no doubt a huge part of the problem is that Stonewall themselves have been getting extremely poor legal advice - probably for years.

@TheMostBeautifulDogInTheWorld

Stonewall aren't actually themselves lawyers, don't have a high level in-house lawyer position, and only have one lawyer (specialising in fraud, not equality law) on their board of trustees - and trustees are not involved in day to day operations.

So we ought to be scrupulously fair and point out that no doubt a huge part of the problem is that Stonewall themselves have been getting extremely poor legal advice - probably for years.

Maybe, but part of me wonders whether they even sought legal advice - I wouldn’t be surprised if they just took it upon themselves to allow this Orwellian situation to play out in real life.

Are you sure? The Welsh Government has outsourced all LGB and T+ issues to Stonewall. They are effectively a branch of the Welsh government. So the fact that there isn't a specialist lawyer involved is deeply concerning. Not that the Welsh Government seems to have noticed yet.

How did everybody know that the EHRC and ACAS severed the relationship? The info came from EHRC and ACAS themselves, didn't it?

Because I'm wondering if the organisations themselves don't publicise it, how will anyone know?

Shedbuilder, from looking at their website (there's an about us page that lists trustees and the senior staff) yes. Obviously there are more junior staff that are not explicitly listed and that might include an equalities law specialist - but there's no "director of legal" or anything.

Bump.

Such good news.

With a bit of googling, I've found these people, who look like they should know something about the law:

www.stonewall.org.uk/people/catherine-dixon

www.stonewall.org.uk/people/mohsin-zaidi

Which makes it even worse really - surely they are either incompetent or negligent?

Latest idiotic statement from them:

Stonewall defends its direction to BBC www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4257181-stonewall-defends-its-direction-to-bbc

@Leafstamp

With a bit of googling, I've found these people, who look like they should know something about the law:

www.stonewall.org.uk/people/catherine-dixon

www.stonewall.org.uk/people/mohsin-zaidi

Which makes it even worse really - surely they are either incompetent or negligent?

Only if you think they didn't know what they were doing.

We still haven't found out why Stonewall have hidden their list of 'champions'. We still need to find out how Stonewall are coping with having to advise on FOI requests (and with poor advice I can't think it's going to be good). It just shows how allowing an unprofessional campaigning body to gain such influence was always going to turn out to be a bit of a disaster.

As a nation we have become too 'lets not cause offence' ahead of asking questions and bandwagon jumping sends reason to the back of the queue

If, like me, you don't usually watch the video clip at the top of articles, watch this one as for some reason the content of the clip isn't mentioned in the article.

Kelley is very clear that Stonewall does not represent all LGBT people, which I thought was interesting.

There must be a MNer with access to the list, surely?

Nancy Keeley comparing gender critical thought to anti semitism.

mobile.twitter.com/ProfAliceS/status/1398536818786766856

Stonewall is completely out of control.

Stonewall needs to be subject to a full Public Inquiry.

Kelley

Nancy Keeley comparing gender critical thought to anti semitism.

What the heck is wrong with her

*Nancy Keeley comparing gender critical thought to anti semitism.

mobile.twitter.com/ProfAliceS/status/1398536818786766856

Stonewall is completely out of control.*

It really is. The claims are increasingly over the top and extreme. It's desperate. The debate is being had, more and more people are being exposed to rational GC arguments, so wild statements like this seem unhinged in comparison. Doubling down on their 'no debate' tactic seems increasingly counterproductive. Get involved in the debate Stonewall, come up with some convincing arguments, the campaign failed.

More organisations #LeaveStonewall House of Commons Driver & Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) Dorset Police Ministry of Housing and Local Government

mobile.twitter.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1398701539087224834

I’m appalled to be compared to an anti-Semite. Disgraceful.