EHRC cuts ties with Stonewall.

[Novina]

Has anyone else seen this? From Sex Matters:

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/press-release-equality-and-human-rights-commission-cuts-ties-with-stonewall

don't know how to verify that, but it would be hilarious if Nestle have too much pride in their reputation to be associated with the likes of Stonewall.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W2firijxQOo

I imagine Stew himself will be quietly deleting his own recent lazy, poorly informed wokey blokey foray into this argument when the shit finally hits the fan, but this is a great clip.

Blimey indeed. That seems pretty significant. No wonder they are having a rather childish tantrum.

[quote HecatesCatsInFancyHats]Now they've gone on the attack. We've done nothing wrong, everyone is out to get us! They don't seem to know how to do anything else...

twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1396424940702818304?s=21[/quote]
I've some sympathy with the tweeter who wrote:

A lot of LGBT people are very concerned that this is part of a wider movement to remove our rights.

I see the concern is grounded in Stonewall and other parties use of those tactics to remove women's rights. But the commenter has yet to realise that it is Stonewall who is looking to remove bodily autonomy and the right to assert personal sexual orientation from LGB as part of the portfolio of T being positioned as trumping the rights of everybody else.

I think lots of people who have previously supported Stonewall don't understand what's been going on. So yes, this could well cause consternation...Hopefully it is made crystal clear.

@heathspeedwell

Just heard on Facebook that Nestle are dropping Stonewall too. I don't know how to verify that, but it would be hilarious if Nestle have too much pride in their reputation to be associated with the likes of Stonewall.

Oh for goodness sake, what am I supposed to do with that information, I’ve boycotted Nestle since 1989, I can’t approve of them now 🤣

It's horribly manipulative framing, and really irresponsible to tell LGBT people that this is an attack on all their rights.

That clip of Stew is superb! I hope he's brave enough to come out as GC soon.

Inclusion Without Exception has got an unwritten, but very clear "Or Else" about it. I mean, I can practically see it, right there!
(It's also reminding me of some other totalitarian slogan that I can't quite put my finger on)

This consternation is of course a direct result of the forced teaming of LGB and T though.

@heathspeedwell

That clip of Stew is superb! I hope he's brave enough to come out as GC soon.

Doubt it.

I too heard about this just now in R4 news. Dh and I did a high five- maybe after the week the BBC have had they’ve realised they need to start reporting proper news about Stonewall instead of all the arse licking they usually do!

And their tweets today show they are not mature or professional enough to be going into any education establishment or indeed “advising” any business. Their nasty bullying true colours are shining through today!

We have a couple of radios on on Sundays tuned to different BBC stations - it made Radio 3 (and pretty comprehensively), but nothing on Radio 6.

@heathspeedwell

That clip of Stew is superb! I hope he's brave enough to come out as GC soon.

Unlikely - the last thing I saw on stage before lockdown was his new show in which he said people who object to mixed sex toilets do so because they (we) are uneducated and thick.

FannyCann
Whaaat?? Her case has been pushed forward a year? I missed that! WTF. 
On the positive side though, it was to find a big enough time slot. They've allocated 20 days (4 weeks) of court time.

Thanks NecessaryScene1

That's a substantial amount of court time. The outcome is clearly going to be very influential.
Hope Allison's crowdfunder has plenty in the kitty!

Ugh! "u ok hun?" A line straight from the Tumblr feeds of teenagers.

"U ok hun?" doesn't make me think of teenage tumblr feeds (probably because I have never seen one). But does make me think of MLM cults. "become a seller of my dodgy products and you too can have a fantasy lifestyle and give up work"

Also, I have no idea of the accuracy of the assertion obv, but a comment below the DM article states that 25% of employees in the U.K. work for an organisation that is a stonewall diversity champion. Seems a believable figure considering how many organisations are signed up to the scheme. I hadn't thought about it in terms of that sort of statistic previously, it's pretty shocking the extent of their influence.

Quotation from Baroness Falkner (Chair of the EHRC): "to suggest that this impacts on our impartiality is wholly inaccurate and unfounded. The programme is for employers and our membership always related exclusively to our internal affairs, it had no influence on any external work."

I think Baroness Falkner may be confused about the difference between intended impact and actual impact on their external work.

I await the findings of any possible public inquiry into the relationship between Stonewall and other organisations (including EHRC) for a more definitive assessment of EHRC's impartiality (or lack thereof).

@FannyCann

Also, I have no idea of the accuracy of the assertion obv, but a comment below the DM article states that 25% of employees in the U.K. work for an organisation that is a stonewall diversity champion. Seems a believable figure considering how many organisations are signed up to the scheme. I hadn't thought about it in terms of that sort of statistic previously, it's pretty shocking the extent of their influence.

NHS E alone employs 1.5million people:

www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/the-nhs-workforce-in-numbers#

Add in the other largescale employers who are signed up as Stonewall Diversity Champions and it's feasible that 25% of employees are covered by virtue of Stonewall's partnership with large employers.

It's always easier to throw money at a glamorous problem that will gain you awards and credit you with desirable points than to embrace dealing with the needs of those of your workforce who have unglamorous and boring disabilties etc. that will take a reworking of your workflow, systems and genuine culture change to influence.

@IvyTwines2

'TIE'? An unfortunate acronym for a group focussed on children, but there you go.

That is interesting that Stonewall mentioned them. Rather randomly yesterday they posted a pile of tweeted that they said were threatening and abusive. This was a bit out of the blue, so I'm now cynically wondering if there has been some coordination with Stonewall.

Shocking isn't it EmbarrassingAdmissions ? The extent of their influence and the income stream associated.

Slight derail but I'm amusing myself scrolling through the #dontsubmittostonewall FOIs and have just noticed one from Alastair Moody. Quite possibly a genuine name but I do hope it is a sneaky pseudonymous bit of JKR fandom!

@FannyCann

Also, I have no idea of the accuracy of the assertion obv, but a comment below the DM article states that 25% of employees in the U.K. work for an organisation that is a stonewall diversity champion. Seems a believable figure considering how many organisations are signed up to the scheme. I hadn't thought about it in terms of that sort of statistic previously, it's pretty shocking the extent of their influence.

This is Stonewall's own claim according to the Sex Matters press release linked in the OP.

Stonewall claims that the scheme covers 25% of the UK’s workforce. It aims to “transform institutions” by “empowering them as advocates and agents of change in wider society”. Its members include around 250 Government departments and public bodies.

I see the Equality Network has come out in support of Stonewall too:

twitter.com/LGBTIScotland/status/1396443091817713668?s=19

If Stonewall falls a lot of these other orgs will begin to crumble too.

This is Stonewall's own claim according to the Sex Matters press release linked in the OP.

Do you remember the days in diplomacy when the USSR and China used to send each other telegrams of congratulation on their communism and glorious futures? It feels a little desperate and like that.

The PAIGC ‘Congratulatory’ Diplomacy towards Communist States, 1960-1964
brill.com/view/journals/luso/19/1/article-p54_4.xml

Still going: Foreign Leaders Extend Congratulations to the 70th Anniversary of the Founding of the People's Republic of China (PRC)

www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/zxxx_662805/t1706355.shtml

Unlikely - the last thing I saw on stage before lockdown was his new show in which he said people who object to mixed sex toilets do so because they (we) are uneducated and thick.

No, I don't believe he will come out as GC. But I think he will quietly pretend he never said anything. Sneering at women along with many others is one thing, but looking increasingly absurd in your anti-reality beliefs is another.

maybe after the week the BBC have had they’ve realised they need to start reporting proper news about Stonewall instead of all the arse licking they usually do!

I was thinking that, listening to all the conversations around the Diana/Bashir scandal on Friday. The BBC covered up for Saville and now have this new stain on their reputation for integrity - they really do need to be careful about the narratives they perpetuate and the ideologies they promote.