Girl guiding

[nevernotstruggling]

I've just had an email about the new inclusivity and diversify and blah plan. Is it different?

[MrsFin]

@Beamur

I don't know anything about the editor, but don't forget you can be trans AFAB, identity as male but still choose to have a feminine gender presentation. Just because you can.

FFS! What is wrong with the world?!

[EmpressWitchDoesntBurn]

What stands out for me in the joint statement is:

'Our ambition for diversity and inclusion is for Girlguiding to be a place where everyone is welcome, is free to be themselves, and has an equal sense of belonging – whoever they are and wherever they’re from.'

Compare that with Stonewall's statement on Twitter:

'At Stonewall, we stand for all LGBTQ+ people and imagine a world where LGBTQ+ people everywhere are free to be themselves and can live their lives to the full.'

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

Indeed!

[Tibtom]

Unless they are a girl of course

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

They're not allowed to be a "femme only space" that would be illegal discrimination as the Equality Act recognises people without GRC as their biological sex and children don't have GRCs you can't say "only girls who present as a stereotypical view of girls, plus some males who also do" can join.

[Howzaboutye]

GG board has been brainwashed, captured. They need a strong leader to bring it back to girls, just girls. With safeguarding a priority for all. Or else it will fold. Very sad if it did, but their own bloody fault for not standing up for their girls.

[KatieAlcock]

@Ereshkigalangcleg

They're not allowed to be a "femme only space" that would be illegal discrimination as the Equality Act recognises people without GRC as their biological sex and children don't have GRCs you can't say "only girls who present as a stereotypical view of girls, plus some males who also do" can join.

Unfortunately that is EXACTLY what GG has done.
Women who don't identify as women despite being legally and biologically female - OUT
Boys and men who identify as women but are legally and biologically male - IN.

[jellyfrizz]

@KatieAlcock

Ironically she couldn't be a leader. She's a woman but she doesn't identify as one. Not very trans inclusive, hey?
I have pointed this out to her.

Just seen the response to your questioning 'femme-only"

*Thanks for pointing this out! I've used femme in the same way as female in this context because it can be seen as a very biological term !
But for anyone curious, here FEMME = FEMALE*

Huh?

[jellyfrizz]

Has femme EVER been used as a biological term?

[Howzaboutye]

Nope

[Tibtom]

Is your five year old child femme? If so come along to Rainbows! We welcome all femme presenting five to seven year olds! The pack is lead by femme presenting leaders...

[Howzaboutye]

Aaaand every parent runs a mile.

It's almost as if the activists have gone, we are excluded from GG, we can't have that. Let's do a takeover. Ideology takeover commences. Successful. GG volunteer base falls away. GG crumbles. Activists say oh well who cares. And then there's no GG left for the girls. And no more female only spaces. This is NOT OK.
Wake up GG!

[YellowFish12]

Wake up GG!
^This

I am so so so saddened by the route GG has gone down. They should be pro-girls by their very definition. How can parents of girls have trust in GG as an organisation now? GG should be rallying AGAINST female/male stryontypes and be showing girls how much they can do with a 'this girl can' attitude.

[KatieAlcock]

She's reported me to Twitter for quoting her own organisation's policies to her.
12 hour suspension if I don't want to delete the offending tweets.

[KatieAlcock]

[Needmoresleep]

Embarrassingadmissions
Is that AC (black-trousered leg, spectacles) at the lefthand side, near to the table?

Not sure, however it is very possible. Aimee Challenor was a member, then for a brief while, something like deputy chair, of the Stonewall Trans Advisory Committee.

For those who are new to all this and are willing to enter one of the many rabbit holes,

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/ashton-challenor-the-boy-who-disappeared

this is as good a starting point as any.

GG is a membership organisation dependent on volunteers. Yet important policy seems to have drawn up without any obvious consultation, other than with some quite unlikely people.

[IntoAir]

GG's new Digital Editor needs to learn that the exclamation mark is not a substitute for thinking.

[KatieAlcock]

The plot thickens.
GG have again changed their policies and assuming this person is actually female and non binary she CAN now be a leader (I need to do a trawl of the Wayback machine to find the specifics.
So she missed a "you're wrong" and doesn't know her own organisation's policies either...

[Artichokeleaves]

That 'femme only space' thing can fuck right off.

No, we're not pretending that 'performing femininity' means female. Fuck That. Just fuck that to the far side of fuck and then fuck off some more.

[KatieAlcock]

I have appealed my suspension and am waiting to hear.

[Artichokeleaves]

Yet important policy seems to have drawn up without any obvious consultation, other than with some quite unlikely people.

If this is AC, then it included an advisor who an inquiry found not capable of understanding safeguarding.

The mind just plain boggles.

[TheElementsSong]

@Artichokeleaves

That 'femme only space' thing can fuck right off.

No, we're not pretending that 'performing femininity' means female. Fuck That. Just fuck that to the far side of fuck and then fuck off some more.

This.

How in the fuck did Girl Guides become a space for performing femininity?

[averylongtimeago]

Oh dear, I appear to have been blocked by her/them ...so can't read her replies.

• I assume as she is in GIRL guiding and female at birth, she is she/her. I can't look to check ....

[vivariumvivariumsvivaria]

By the look of that person's tweets, they are a grade A idiot.

Such a shame. GG is the ONLY worldwide organisation run for women, by women. It is a hugely powerful movement for improving the lives of girls worldwide.

Or, at least, it was.

[TedImgoingmad]

@Howzaboutye

GG board has been brainwashed, captured. They need a strong leader to bring it back to girls, just girls. With safeguarding a priority for all. Or else it will fold. Very sad if it did, but their own bloody fault for not standing up for their girls.

The trans inclusion policy happened when Julie Bentley was Chief Guide. That's Julie Bentley, Former head of the Family Planning Association. That's Julie Bentley, campaigner for abortion rights, who presumably knows how unwanted pregnancies happen.

This is what Julie Bentley said upon her appointment to the job in 2015:

‘I have worked in a wide range of settings and I have a broad insight into what affects girls,’ she said. ‘I don’t think any of [her former work] is at odds with the Girl Guides. In fact I believe the Guides is the ultimate feminist organisation.’

And she allowed Guides to be captured. How this happened beggars belief.