She's such a hateful bigot, isn't she?

[SunsetBeetch]

JK Rowling has donated £1 million of royalties from one of her children’s books to help fight the Covid-19 crisis in India.

The Harry Potter author is understood to have split the sum between two UK-based charities involved in relief work, including the provision of emergency oxygen supplies.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jk-rowlings-1m-fairytale-gift-to-covid-oxygen-charities-csn5xb9tv

@peachgreen

*Emma Watson Daniel Radcliffe Rupert Grint Margaret Atwood Stephen King Sophie Turner Miley Cyrus Oprah Winfrey Beyonce*

None of them are as involved as JKR. They have made one off or occasional statements of support.

I don't agree she has been transphobic. You obviously think she has been, so where is your proof?

I didn't say she had been transphobic. I said she had aligned herself with the gender critical movement. I don't think anyone would argue with that.

Name a single transphobe she has "emboldened". And emboldened to do what?

I mean, simply clicking on any of her tweets and reading the replies underneath will illuminate this for you. And emboldened to be openly transphobic. Obviously.

So, we can agree. Aligning oneself with, or indeed being, gender critical is not synonymous with transphobia. So what is your problem?

If she tweets, she has no control over other people's responses. In much the same way as, when she tweets, she is subject to rape and death threats from trans rights activists, over which she has no control. Are you blaming her for other people's reactions to her talking about women's issues? Again, unless she actually said anything transphobic, actual or implied, or encouraged anyone to say anything transphobic, then she has no case to answer.

Much of this depends, of course, on your definition of transphobia. And it is clear that any woman wanting to stand up for her rights enshrined in the Equality Act, and to talk about her body and experiences in her own terms, is not a transphobe.

So again. What did she do that is transphobic?

She’s a total disgrace!

Hitler?!

Awesome woman.

@summercocktailsinthesnow Weirdly, that was my original point. Her views on the trans debate do not diminish her many good works, regardless of whether or not you agree with them.

@FlibbertyGiblets

Godwin's Law is a beautiful thing to see in the wild.

It's not often you see a true Godwin's these days, delightful plumage on this one

@peachgreen

And you don't think women should be able to talk about women's rights, particularly not if they have a wide reach and a high profile?

I didn't say this either?

Oh I assumed you were saying she shouldn't have spoken out on a "sensitive" debate because that caused transphobia (because of who she is), which you haven't produced any evidence of. So you do think she was right to speak out on that issue? I'm confused. Are you policing what JKR can say or not?

What did she do that is transphobic?

Again, I have not called her transphobic. And again, my original point:

Regardless of your opinions of her position on the debate around trans rights, she has done many wonderful things which are worthy of acknowledgement.

@Sexnotgender

Is the law transphobic too?

Everything is transphobic.

Can confirm: wingsoverscotland.com/everything-is-transphobic/

Oh I assumed you were saying she shouldn't have spoken out on a "sensitive" debate because that caused transphobia (because of who she is), which you haven't produced any evidence of. So you do think she was right to speak out on that issue? I'm confused. Are you policing what JKR can say or not?

No, I said ANY public figure who speaks out on a high profile debate should consider their influence before doing so. That is not preventing anyone from speaking out.

@peachgreen

Again, I have not called her transphobic.

Good to know you don't think JKR is transphobic. I'm sure you wouldn't state that on Twitter though!

I'm sure you wouldn't state that on Twitter though!

Again, not sure how this is relevant to my original point, but I actually did say on Twitter that I didn't think her initial statement was transphobic.

Oh @peachgreen

Not only an astounding failure to make an argument or, indeed, a single point of any substance whatsoever. But then taking it upon oneself to completely disregard disengage from a poster bravely sharing one of the reasons why this matters so much to biological women.
Reprehensible really.

And we're still no further forward on what makes a woman's rights advocate transphobic (or even what transphobia actually is).

Frankly, anyone who's seen or experienced male violence has every right to be afraid of men. It says much more about you as a person to suggest otherwise, much less ridiculing us into opening our spaces to some of the very people we'd need safety from in the first place.

Karen White, Jessica Yaniv, Fallon Fox, Hannah Mouncey? Fucking right I'd be afraid of them. Interestingly, that admission of fear is also what they're revelling in.
Why is everyone else's experience/identity/affirmation/sheer existence valid apart from women's?

@peachgreen

I'm sure you wouldn't state that on Twitter though!

Again, not sure how this is relevant to my original point, but I actually did say on Twitter that I didn't think her initial statement was transphobic.

My apologies in that case and my condolences for the abuse you probably got in response.

I note though that you mention her initial statement, so it does rather sound like you wouldn't say she isn't transphobic now. Your prerogative of course.

oldLang

The only point I have tried to make on this thread is that regardless of one's opinions of JKR's position on the debate around trans rights, she has done many wonderful, charitable things which are worthy of acknowledgement.

That's it.

And you can see my refusal (as a SA survivor) to use a SA survivor's traumatic experiences as part of a debate as reprehensible if you wish, but it will not encourage me to do so.

@youvegottenminuteslynn I don't follow her closely enough for it to be appropriate for me to make a statement either way.

Well done Joanne, she does do so much good with her earnings, it would be nice to see the child actors that got rich on the back of her talent making similar donations..

@JudgeJ that put me in mind of a song....

This is what your first post says @peachgreen

I don't agree with JKR's stance on trans rights and I strongly dislike the fact that she has used her platform in ways that have legitimised transphobia,

You have not given a single example of JKR's "stance on trans rights".

You have not given a single example of JKR "us[ing] her platform in ways that have legitimised transphobia*

Not one single scrap of evidence.

Yet you come on here casting aspersions, and implying falsehoods and hateful conduct on a woman who literally, it appears, saved your mother's life.

You really are something else.

@Queenoftheashes

I heard she’s the only person to lose billionaire status due to charitable giving

I think Dolly Parton too.

@peachgreen Condemned the actions but still happy to support those who carried them out.

Also, happy to label Maya Forstater a transphobe, for what exactly? Happy to criticise JKR for daring to support Maya. Did Maya do or say anything remotely in the ball park of what is regularly flung at her, JKR, and gender critical feminists by the side you support?

You mention a sensitive debate there is one side that refused to debate at all, there is one side that does the utmost to shut down any debate, there is one side that threatens death, rape and violence, there is one side that attempts to get people thrown out of their employment, there is one side that tries to get people convicted for hate crimes/non crime hate incidents for having an opposing view to their own. The side doing that is NOT the side Maya, JKR or gender critical feminists are on, it is the side you are on, the side you support.

Absolutely adore her, as does most of the nation and much of the world. A brave, courageous and wonderful person.

I wish Mel Brooks was in his prime. How I'd love to see him do a Producers on Hitler and JK Rowling and the TRAs.

It would be a thing of beauty. Maybe Graham will do it one day.

Hope she reads this thread, it's great.

You have not given a single example of JKR's "stance on trans rights".

Sorry, I didn't think I needed to? Her stance on trans rights is very clear. She made a statement outlining it. I don't agree with it. That's all I have said.

You have not given a single example of JKR "us[ing] her platform in ways that have legitimised transphobia
I have explained this.

who literally, it appears, saved your mother's life.
This is a low blow. But again, as I have said, I am extremely grateful to her and regardless of how I feel about her view on this debate, I believe she should be recognised for the wonderful charitable works she has undertaken. That's not a controversial statement, surely?

They're rearming in defiance of the Treaty of Versailles.

Given the death threats, the rape threats, the threats to children and other vulnerable people, the screams and shrieks, the physical violence meted out to women standing up for themselves, fear of trans people seems to be becoming a perfectly reasonable and proportionate response.

Unless of course trans people and/or their allies never threaten women, children and other vulnerable people with violence, death threats, rape threats, barbed-wire-wrapped baseball bats, lawsuits, browbeatings, pile-ons, threats to employers etc. But that's not so, is it? Unless it's only so-called allies threatening these things - in which case, why aren't trans people standing up in their thousands decrying the violence and the threats?