She's such a hateful bigot, isn't she?

[SunsetBeetch]

JK Rowling has donated £1 million of royalties from one of her children’s books to help fight the Covid-19 crisis in India.

The Harry Potter author is understood to have split the sum between two UK-based charities involved in relief work, including the provision of emergency oxygen supplies.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jk-rowlings-1m-fairytale-gift-to-covid-oxygen-charities-csn5xb9tv

so I don't see why calling JKR GC is considered to be an insult?

You said JKR has enabled transphobes. Your evidence for this is “just look under her tweets”. This is unfounded bullshit.

However, if you did look under her tweets at the time you would have seen this:

medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d

I’m sure, peachgreen you have an “enabled transphobes” equivalent?

In what way is Maya Forstater anti trans? Supporting the rights of women to describe themselves as a group and the rights of women to single sex spaces is pro women and can surely not be considered bigoted?

Emboldened transphobes” is TRA speak for given women and allies the courage to speak out for women’s rights.

This.

@peachgreen Your evidence for Maya Forstater being a transphobe is?

@NotBadConsidering I have repeatedly condemned such language, both here and elsewhere. It's disgusting and can never be justified.

I'm sure you don't see that as something to be ashamed of

Quite. Why on earth would we?

[quote peachgreen]@NotBadConsidering I have repeatedly condemned such language, both here and elsewhere. It's disgusting and can never be justified.[/quote]
So where has Rowling “emboldened transphobes”? Evidence? Explanation? Like I said, it’s just TRA speak for giving women a voice, unless you can provide evidence of active emboldenment.

You seem to be making them synonymous, so it would be helpful for you to clarify that being a gender critical feminist does not make you a transphobe (someone who hates trans people) then it won't be taken as an insult.

Yes, how can I not be a "transphobe" as a gender critical feminist? Do I have to pretend to believe in something I don't and agree not to have any boundaries?

I think it’s a wonderful thing to do and she is brilliant.

In the scheme of things, there are many causes domestic and international that are most likely more beneficial to larger groups of people.

No, I said ANY public figure who speaks out on a high profile debate should consider their influence before doing so. That is not preventing anyone from speaking out.

I thought her essay was considered and sensitive. So could I ask what she said wrong, specifically? What is it she should have given more consideration to?

But implying that Maya Forstater is a bigot is OK?
Why do you think that is acceptable?

than supporting the 'trans agenda' that should continue. And clearly it's not something she has any interest in backing!

She is wonderful

@notbadconsidering We're talking about the same thing. We just have different opinions on what it is. Again, as I have repeatedly said, regardless of what you believe she has done, her charitable works deserve to be recognised.

@peachgreen

Posted upthread but possibly overlooked in your haste to deny our validity as a sex class.

“I respect every trans person’s right to live any way that feels authentic and comfortable to them". - JKR

I must say that I'm surprised any human being would disagree with this sentiment.
What about trans people living their lives offends you so much?
Or is it possible that you don't actually know/understand what you're claiming to disagree with?

As for your comments about not using someone's experience in a debate, that poster seemed to use it for context important to their view and asked you a direct question (thus inviting and consenting to a discussion). Are you saying you know better than her? Especially given that no comment on the experience itself needs to be made, it's just important to the context.

Yes, all things considered, I stand with the word choice of reprehensible. Potentially adding misogynistic or gynophobic to the mix seeing as that's the done thing these days.

@PopperUppleton

Given the death threats, the rape threats, the threats to children and other vulnerable people, the screams and shrieks, the physical violence meted out to women standing up for themselves, fear of trans people seems to be becoming a perfectly reasonable and proportionate response.

Unless of course trans people and/or their allies never threaten women, children and other vulnerable people with violence, death threats, rape threats, barbed-wire-wrapped baseball bats, lawsuits, browbeatings, pile-ons, threats to employers etc. But that's not so, is it? Unless it's only so-called allies threatening these things - in which case, why aren't trans people standing up in their thousands decrying the violence and the threats?

Well said Popper

You have not given a single example of JKR's "stance on trans rights".

Sorry, I didn't think I needed to? Her stance on trans rights is very clear. She made a statement outlining it. I don't agree with it. That's all I have said.

Again, @peachgreen JKR does not have a stance on trans rights she stands up for women's rights, by ignoring and obfuscating this point you are confirming that the TRA agenda is in conflict with women's rights, seeks to remove them and has a direct and negative impact on them.

Also, could you answer the question I posed earlier, it would be super for once to get an answer:

What rights do trans people not have?

@peachgreen Your evidence for Maya Forstater being a transphobe is?

Could you clarify this, please, @peachgreen, it's probably best not to go around smearing other Mumsnetters without backing it up.

[quote peachgreen]@notbadconsidering We're talking about the same thing. We just have different opinions on what it is. Again, as I have repeatedly said, regardless of what you believe she has done, her charitable works deserve to be recognised.[/quote]
No we are not talking about the same thing. You clearly accused her of ‘emboldening transphobes”. You wrote this on page 5:

HecatesCatsInFancyHats Oh, come on. Whether you agree that she herself has been transphobic or not, there is no denying that by coming out in support of the gender critical movement she has emboldened transphobes. It's inevitable when a public figure aligns themselves with one side of a sensitive debate

It doesn’t matter what I think she has done, you should explain why you think she has done the thing you’ve accused her of. Can you?

The only thing you’ve done to explain this is say “see Twitter”. It’s a nasty accusation you have made and if you can’t rationally explain it you should retract it.

@FlibbertyGiblets

Godwin's Law is a beautiful thing to see in the wild.

Okay, being called "reprehensible" for not wishing to discuss someone else's experiences of sexual assault is about my limit here. I'm sure you'll continue to rip me apart for my completely non-controversial stance that JKR's charitable work can and should be separated from her views on trans rights and therefore celebrated regardless of your opinion on said views, but I'm going to hide the thread now.

Fantastic of JK Rowling to donate so much to these two relief charities. I really admire and respect her.

@Summercocktailsinthesnow

I don't think every conversation around JKR should be around this subject! She is an incredibly talented, world class author and a renowned the world over, she is so much more than this subject that is for sure.

I totally agree. It's so tedious.

Oh, come on. Whether you agree that she herself has been transphobic or not, there is no denying that by coming out in support of the gender critical movement she has emboldened transphobes

@peachgreen

You are calling the gender critical movement transphobic and it isn't. Recognising that there are negative implications for women by allowing any man to identify as a woman and for that man to be treated as a women in all circumstances is not transphobic. its just trying to have an adult debate based in facts and evidence.