Girl pushed under train.

[Thelnebriati]

The girls all have to run past the boys to board the train.
One girl is kicked in the face, spat on, shoved, tripped up, and ends up falling on to the tracks.

The guard in they hi vis yellow jacket just watches.

I'm at the end of my tether with male violence and entitlement.

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I reckon many of thier mothers were teenage pram pushers only having babies for the money and welfare benefits that goes with it

Yeah, it's always a woman's fault somewhere along the line.

I grew up in a poor family in the most deprived area of a major city. Most people from similar backgrounds do not behave like this. If it were true that deprivation and abuse breeds criminality and abusers then there would be at least an equal level of female offending, but there isn't. There are people who've suffered terrible childhoods and situations who are actually made more ethical and empathetic by their experiences. There are traumatised people who wouldn't dream of inflicting pain onto someone else. Even if your choices in life are limited, even if your options aren't great, you can always choose not to behave like this. At a certain level personal responsibility has to be taken.

Glad to see that they've named 3 of them on the youtube video posted upthread. Hope they DO get their comeuppance, but given the way the authorities all seem to have given in to the rampant misogyny that prevails everywhere at the moment, I doubt it!

All backlash to the "me too" movement, I believe. Women looked like they were starting to level the playing field, so that had to be stopped, obviously.

The comments on one of the articles I read were pretty bad too - one commenter even victim-blamed the girl who fell under the train and said she "should have known better" - better than fucking WHAT? She was running to catch her train, should she have known better than to travel home on the train? I mean, jeezus fuck, there are people out there who will twist ANYTHING not to lay the blame squarely at the feet of these young thug fuckers.

Makes me livid!

I signed the petition

@NameChangedCosShame

As if I wasn't angry enough...

www.lbc.co.uk/news/shocking-moment-girl-is-knocked-onto-train-tracks-by-gang-of-yobs/

A Garda spokesman said: "Gardai are investigating an incident of assault that occurred in Howth Junction Dart Station on 1st April, 2021, at approximately 9pm.

"A woman fell from the train platform during the incident and sustained injuries."

Fell?
Ok then.

The passive tense there is shocking too.

“An incident of assault that occurred”
A man assaulted a woman.

It was active. He actively chose to do that.

This use of the passive tense makes me sick.

Clumsy woman, she fell under a train.

On another thread, discussing the case of an elderly woman who had had a stroke being raped as she lay in her hospital bed and dying from her injuries, MNHQ has changed the title of the thread to remove any mention of the rape, so that now she "died as she lay helpless in bed".

Anything to repress the acknowledgement of male violence, even on FWR.

It is my perspective that violence is not fought with more violence.

Well we deal with kidnappers by basically kidnapping them. Obviously the difference is that we have a formal process in place and only do it to the guilty.

You can find people (with experience of it) that say that corporal punishment did work in schools, and didn't have to be used that much because the fear was enough. Obviously you can also find horror stories where teachers were sadistic.

What I will say, is you're making an empirical claim, and you could easily be wrong. Violence may work sometimes. However, it's a "human rights violation" now so can't be tried anyway whether it works or not.

This happened at a train station about 20 miles away from where I live.
So shocking as I would use that station quite a bit.

I clearly said this was 'my perspective'. Empirical claims in this field are very difficult because social and personal behaviour is very complex and you never have all the data. Or the data and intepretation depends on the collector and/or observer.

I have worked with torture cases for years from many different countries. I have a moral stand on this and I know I will always find data from my own perspective. I am very aware of my bias.

What I am saying is that we have tried violence to stop violence for centuries. Mostly male violence and replicating male patterns of violence. If this worked it would not exist or it would have been moderated.

I am in no doubt that violence is mainly male violence and we should look into it with different eyes and try different approaches.

I don't think that's the right approach nor way to express it Sofia

This may sound facile, but, as any viewer of Supernanny knows, threatening your child with the naughty step only works if you send them there the first time the do whatever it is you don't want them to do, every time thereafter and for the full time threatened. If prison doesn't work it's because yobs like this aren't sent there for first and early offending, they're not sent for every offence and they do not serve their whole sentences. Prison needs to be a certainty and not a slight possibility in order for it to be any kind of deterrent. Political parties are useless on crime and it is a Red Wall issue.

@Redandpink

I reckon many of thier mothers were teenage pram pushers only having babies for the money and welfare benefits that goes with it.

I can't believe I just read that. Give your head a wobble. I want to say something much stronger but Mumsnet would chuck me out if I say what I think of you.

Why are people equating sending yobs to prison with violence? Is this the same redefinition of violence as women's words being violent or misgendering being violent?

@SofiaMichelle

They need to be put down. Not punished, not rehabilitated, not made to pay compensation. Just put down.

Society doesn't need them. They are, and will continue to be, a blight on everyone else so why not just cut the crap and save everyone else from their abusive behaviour by making them into dog food.

I understand the sentiment but I also think this is not the way forward Violence breeds more violence and capital punishment functions as the ultimate sanction for violence

The comments on one of the articles I read were pretty bad too - one commenter even victim-blamed the girl who fell under the train and said she "should have known better" - better than fucking WHAT? She was running to catch her train, should she have known better than to travel home on the train?

These are misogynistic comments,

Young girls going out and about on their own = too modern, while 'boys will be boys'.

I remember visiting Dublin in the 00s. I remember seeing something that wasn't quite right. There were gangs of youths hanging around in parks smoking and drinking cans in the middle of the day but what stood out to me the most were prams and babies in tow with them. I presume it was young mothers. I remember being disgusted at it. Imo babies were being popped out for the benefits culture. I presume gangs of youth like this has formed due to a lack of parenting and from parents who don't care about them.

Not everyone and not every young mother is like this. There's probably many great people who became teenage years so I am not putting everyone into the same bracket here.

What I am saying is that we have tried violence to stop violence for centuries. Mostly male violence and replicating male patterns of violence. If this worked it would not exist or it would have been moderated.

When we moved away from using corporal punishment, it was never based on hard evidence of what does or doesn't work. It was basically a moral reform. It's "progressive" and "humanitarian" to stop doing it.

I guess I could say, the fact that we used those punishments for hundreds of years is evidence that they must have been useful.

But really of course, we need properly designed studies to work this out, and they wouldn't be allowed to happen.

@NameChangedCosShame

As if I wasn't angry enough...

www.lbc.co.uk/news/shocking-moment-girl-is-knocked-onto-train-tracks-by-gang-of-yobs/

A Garda spokesman said: "Gardai are investigating an incident of assault that occurred in Howth Junction Dart Station on 1st April, 2021, at approximately 9pm.

"A woman fell from the train platform during the incident and sustained injuries."

Fell?
Ok then.

You can clearly see the bigger wheel of the bike hit into her and the smaller wheeled bike was obviously trying to do the same.

Absolute gobshites and minimising what they did is appalling. Also it's a 17 year old girl, not a woman. Not that should make any difference but this is a child they are assaulting.

The lad in the red gilet does look shocked and does stay but yet seconds before he was the one lunging/spitting at the girls.

@Redandpink

I remember visiting Dublin in the 00s. I remember seeing something that wasn't quite right. There were gangs of youths hanging around in parks smoking and drinking cans in the middle of the day but what stood out to me the most were prams and babies in tow with them. I presume it was young mothers. I remember being disgusted at it. Imo babies were being popped out for the benefits culture. I presume gangs of youth like this has formed due to a lack of parenting and from parents who don't care about them.

Not everyone and not every young mother is like this. There's probably many great people who became teenage years so I am not putting everyone into the same bracket here.

You could have seen that anywhere in the world, what has Dublin got to do with it? And how do you think you could understand the motivations of people just by looking them? Jog on.

Bloody hell! That is so awful

Shameful

I hope she’s alright and he’s arrested

Will rtft

They need identifying and taken to court with their parents, also identified, and made to explain themselves. And that should be televised around their community.

I do think part of the problem (though it cannot be proved) is the rise and normalisation of pornography, which is becoming more and more extreme and depicting violence and degradation to women. If you asked young women now what ‘normal’ sex is like (e.g. one night stands) I guarantee they will have different answers to even 10 or 20 years ago. Even on mainstream tv, itv and bbc dramas, the storyline so often seems to be violence and rape of women. I think we seriously underestimate hidden links between these things and how they change how we feel, think and behave. So much so they are slowly changing how both men and women experience pleasure/ pain. I can see it happening and it’s terrifying. There is a real issue here that runs deep into ALL society. I remember being 13 (I am 33 now) and being shown a video involving a woman and a horse by boys at school. God knows what girls are subjected to now and how it makes them feel about their place in the world. And boys too who I also feel scared for (as a mum of both a boy and girl). I don’t know what the answer is...

Imo babies were being popped out for the benefits culture
@Redandpink can you expand on that a bit?
I presume that 'popped out' is the phrase that you use for 'giving birth'?
What was it specifically that you were disgusted by?

@RB68

Its the guy in the red puffer that causes the fall and desepite the fact he went back and seems shocked by the fall he should still be held accountable. There was no power in the kick but it is still to his shame that he did it and aimed it at the head of a woman. What are the parents of these boys teaching them...do they not have mothers

I'm not sure that he really was "shocked". Those exaggerated gestures are not ones of humility, instead they are attention-seeking ones designed to show off.