Lesbian Visibility Week

[Shizuku]

Shout out to my fellow lesbians on this important week!

I will be wearing my lesbian pride badge right next to my trans pride badge for the whole week in all public spaces.

She is a woman, she has a wife and is a lesbian. That's all you need to know.

Why do I need to know that? The "woman" is meaningless, as is the "lesbian" in your definitions. Why are you saying I need to know meaningless things?

Oh, I just saw the update.

So, we are allowed a genital preference.

But we are not allowed to ask about genitalia.

So when we “are jumping into bed” with someone we take our chances...?

How have we got to a point where it’s deletable/banworthy to say that a person with a penis is a man, but it’s just peachy to say that a person with a penis is a lesbian?

Why does transphobia trump homophobia?

Both things can’t be true, so how have we got to a point that the clearly provable and observable (and enshrined in law) reality that lesbians are female is unsayable, but the nebulous and feelings based idea that males can be females on their say so is true and correct?

Ofsted look at the attainment of various protected characteristics in order to ensure all children have the opportunity to learn and achieve.

How should ofsted inform the school that boys in year 8 are falling behind. How do the teachers know which kids to invite to catch up classes and how do the children know the class is fir them?

ASugarr
She is a woman, she has a wife and is a lesbian. That's all you need to know.

Those are certainly claims, but do you truly expect others to accept those claims? What do they mean?

@Thumpsquids

ASugarr She is a woman, she has a wife and is a lesbian. That's all you need to know.

Those are certainly claims, but do you truly expect others to accept those claims? What do they mean?

That is who she is. No question about it.

I'm still hoping for an answer to my "why?" Why does ASugarr identify as a woman?

She said why people are women. Because she wants to be called a woman and have she/her pronouns. Male or female sex, her, me, the Queen, that's the only reason why anyone is a woman.

That is who she is. No question about it.
Again, a non-answer. If you wish to benefit your side of the debate, surely you should be striving to educate, rather than what you've offered thus far, no?

@Thumpsquids

That is who she is. No question about it. Again, a non-answer. If you wish to benefit your side of the debate, surely you should be striving to educate, rather than what you've offered thus far, no?

Someone's life isn't a debate.

Wow, just got a strike for my "Schrödinger's" accent pedantry.

That's amazing. Someone's not got a sense of humour this morning. Or they just hate spelling.

That means HamsterV2's joke and all the following laughter gets nuked. We were having too much fun

Many people do believe that identity is only a matter for individuals. However, I’ve always understood that throughout history, humans have conceptualised identity as a state of being that’s agreed between people and society. No man is an island etc. The sense of self is always in tension with how society perceives one to be. Social identity is created as people interact, and we perceive the differences and similarities between us. Societies are formed by people performing social roles.

Or we could could just decide not to do that and let the absolute scourge of neoliberal identity politics rob society of all meaning and cohesion with this leaden, authoritarian self importance.

There is most definitely a question, because it rests on whether I share an implausible ideological belief with you, and whether I do share that is not your call, Asugarr.

And unless biologically male people are in position of a GRC they have not changed their legal gender (sex for most purposes) and remain the one they are born. Men. That's the law in this country. And no amount of emojis and "that's just your opinion" changes things. Only about 3k biological males have this legal fiction status. The rest, for the purpose of equality law, are counted as men.

A few years ago I was on the other side. Let people live how they want. Gradually I’ve been educated about the errors in that belief and how it impacts women. It’s taken me ages to understand and be able to articulate the difference between sex and gender. I’ve read the Equality Act. I’ve had to get my head around transwomen and transmen. I thought I had got it. But clearly I’m still muddled. Everything is gender. I can identify as anything it’s just a word. So today I can be a lesbian? Tomorrow a transwomen? Wow. I think this will help more people to join the battle to defend women’s spaces, sports, health services, hostels, etc etc. Well done to the OP for educating me.

Is the word bollocks banned now?

Balls to that!

Asugarr has a sub-par understanding of equality law.

Fun is distributed according to need in the brave new world, necessary, and you have not been allocated any this month. Too bad! Off to the gulag with you.

ASugarr.........................................................No because you were all saying earlier that you can't be a trans woman and be a lesbian so what difference does it make what genitals she has? She has a wife, she is a woman, therefore she is a lesbian.

Of course it matters what genitals she has. Lesbians do not and never have had a penis. You cant swap a penis for a uterus and ovaries .........100% fact.

Someone's life isn't a debate.
Again, apart from trans widows apparently.

Off to the gulag with you.

No, not the comfy chair!

@TinselAngel

Someone's life isn't a debate. Again, apart from trans widows apparently.

Quite.

Here's the thing. When it's a medical situation and we are discussing something that affects people with certain biological parts (like a uterus, etc) then that's where it is appropriate to use the terms "those with a penis/vagina/uterus/etc". We aren't talking about that here. We are talking about sexuality. Which unless you are jumping into bed with S then you don't need to know what genitals she has. At all. She is a woman, she has a wife and is a lesbian. That's all you need to know.

Will you be publishing a rule book on all of this at some point? So we can keep up? I suspect it would whiz through editions.

@Helleofabore

*lesbian-rights-nz.org/shame-receipts/*

Just reading these is distressing enough and I am not a lesbian. I cannot imagine how these people continue to be supported by the LGBT community.

Maybe Shizuku would like to address these accounts posted by purgatory and the content of the lesbian-rights website....

And maybe, in light of this being Lesbian Visibility Week, Shizuku could also tell us exactly what the trans activists are doing to change this abusive culture that is continuing to build.

After all, if you are wearing the badges, it must mean that you are active in making positive changes for those on the badge. If you tell us how you are going about making these changes, maybe we can support you if they are, actually, positive changes for lesbians.

So, what are you and the activist community doing to address the abuse we seen in these links, and to be honest, I see every day on social media?

I think I am not the only one who would be very happy to join in if it helps those females* who are same sex attracted.

• (And by female, I mean those with a body formed around the production of large gametes, regardless of whether they produce those large gametes or not, or ever have.) And isn't it great that in Lesbian visibility week I need to add this definition to my posts because the words lack meaning otherwise. Or though, the law has clear meaning such as up thread.

I know, I know! This was so page 12 ago!

But I will not let this go.

We have seen some horrific abuse on those links. Yet, no answers or comment at all from OP, let alone any other posters.

In light of this being Lesbian Visibility Week, Shizuku could also tell us exactly what the trans activists are doing to change this abusive culture that is continuing to build?

Yet on a previous thread ASugarr stated than woman is gender and female is sex
We should scrap all days if visibility if anyone is anything and all is meaningless
Can I identify as age 10 and go back to school?

I am completely onboard with people believing whatever they want (including that they are unicorns). I understand that Scientologists have a different understanding of the origins of where we came from compared to evolutionary theories. And some Judeo-Christians / Muslims have yet another spin of it. I respect all beliefs.

I am just not really onboard with other people forcing me to profess that I also believe what they do. Regardless of those beliefs are concerning origins or concerning identity.

And when I am simultaneously told that not only should I believe what they do about themselves, I should also accept their beliefs about me then I am starting to feel a bit bullied. .

And when they finally want to control not only what I call myself but also my sexuality it is just...not right.

The final punch is that they purport themselves to be the tolerant ones...