Lesbian Visibility Week

[Shizuku]

Shout out to my fellow lesbians on this important week!

I will be wearing my lesbian pride badge right next to my trans pride badge for the whole week in all public spaces.

[quote HamsterV2]**@Helleofabore* - Well, if Hamster as a trans person cannot ask questions, who can?*

Because TRAs absolute hate trans people who (a) question the TRA narrative, (b) will stand up for/stand with women, and (c) support a biological reality.

That's why we get called all kinds of nasty things on social media, because we're grounded in reality and not fuzzy gender-feelz. Quislings, traitors, scum etc etc[/quote]
"Because TRAs absolute hate trans people who (a) question the TRA narrative, (b) will stand up for/stand with women, and (c) support a biological reality."

To be honest, it sounds more like you hate trans people who (a) don't question the TRA narrative, (b) will stand up for/stand with trans women as well as cis women, and (c) support a biological reality which is rather more complex and nuanced than the one you learnt at school.

You can't choose your identity - you can only notice what it is. If they have a female identity, they are trans women, and if they are attracted to other women, they are lesbians. Heterosexual mean are something else.

Honestly, you talk about all this stuff as if it is objective fact and you are 'educating' us all.

What you are saying is just what you believe, its not based in fact or reality. It's like listening to a devout Catholic talking about Holy Communion or something.

I wholly agree, Sophocles.

We need more Armatrading.

@TheWeeDonkey

So is a lesbian not wanting to have sex with a transwoman transphobic in the same way that a straight woman not wanting to have sex with 'random man' is a lesbian? 🤔 🤍

No. If someone doesn't want to be with someone who is transgender because of a genital preference then that isn't transphobic. But if it's because you don't see trans women as women or trans men as men then yes, it is transphobic.

Shizuku - *I looked at your link. I don't have time to read every single entry, but it looks to me like a bunch of people stating that if you refuse to date someone because they are trans, you are a transphobe.

Personally, I only partly agree - I think that being a transphobe is one quite common reason for it, *

So are genital preferences transphobic now then?

Perhaps it is time to stop engaging with the peddlars of untruths .It is clear for all to see.

@Sophoclesthefox

I don’t have anything to say that I think can stay within the guidelines right now, so here’s a great quotation from a great lesbian for Lesbian Visibility Week instead.

“Here are the values that I stand for: honesty, equality, kindness, compassion, treating people the way you want to be treated and helping those in need. To me, those are traditional values.”

Ellen DeGeneres

I’m really thinking about compassion right now, and who has it, who demonstrates it.

If you support Ellen that's fine, someone who is known to be insulting and didn't want to pay her workers during the pandemic. But sure.

Love peachy yogurt.

If someone doesn't want to be with someone who is transgender because of a genital preference then that isn't transphobic

This is great news.

Shizuku are you attracted to people with a penis or only vagina havers?

@GNCQ

Shizuku are you attracted to people with a penis or only vagina havers?

Why does that matter? She's already said she has a wife. That's enough of her life you need to know.

@GNCQ

Shizuku are you attracted to people with a penis or only vagina havers?

Assuming people with a penis can be lesbians too then clearly the answer must be yes.

I remember reading the words of a transwoman who admitted only being sexually attracted to female bodies. There was 'something magical' about them. The transwoman was obviously sexually attracted to women but struggled to explain it within the framework of genderism.

Oh do shut up with the ‘genital preferences’ thing. I’m a lesbian. My experience of loving women is not based on their genitals to any significant extent at all. It’s about enjoying women’s company, of the shared experience we have of life and socialisation as women, of our similar bodies and our relationships to them, of kissing and caressing someone who feels and smells entirely different from how a man does (yes, I do know what I’m talking about), it’s hours of intimacy that might or might not involve the genitalia directly, it’s the equality and similarity in bed and in the rest of life, it’s... everything about being with a woman that’s entirely different from everything about being with a man, or with someone who’s been socialised as one. Please do go away (I’m saying that politely) with your ‘genital preferences’.

If someone doesn't want to be with someone who is transgender because of a genital preference then that isn't transphobic.

Calling homosexuality a genital preference is homophobic, as was noted earlier. Sexual orientation is NOT a preference, calling it that suggests that there's choice involved. Lesbians are abused by homophobes and told they just need to 'try the right dick' and they'll change their mind about being a lesbian. Calling their orientation a preference is no better than that.

@yourhairiswinterfire

If someone doesn't want to be with someone who is transgender because of a genital preference then that isn't transphobic.

Calling homosexuality a genital preference is homophobic, as was noted earlier. Sexual orientation is NOT a preference, calling it that suggests that there's choice involved. Lesbians are abused by homophobes and told they just need to 'try the right dick' and they'll change their mind about being a lesbian. Calling their orientation a preference is no better than that.

Never said homosexuality is a genital preference or defined by genitals.

justawoman.

It's obscene and so reductive to try and diminish lesbianism to 'genital preferences'. I'm sorry you have to listen to it.

I do admire Peach Yogurt. Good clear definition of who is, & isn't, a lesbian.

No, you just said that ‘genital preference’ is an acceptable, non-transphobic reason for lesbians not to want to date transwomen. Possibly the only reason. It’s homophobic to ignore the fact that lesbians are lesbians not only (or even primarily) so because they happen to prefer vaginas to penises, it’s because they love women, women as a whole package not just a hole between two legs.

If someone born male likes to live as though they are a woman they are called a transwoman. So could this be settled by using a new term- "translesbian" ?

I've seen the word "transbian" banded about on social media/other circles.

But the whole point is that only a person who does not have and has never had a penis, can be a lesbian.
We do not care which other name is claimed for anything which is different from this, it just can't be lesbianism.

That was to ASugarr, sorry if that’s unclear

This might also be informative.

@Letsgetreadytocrumble

You can't choose your identity - you can only notice what it is. If they have a female identity, they are trans women, and if they are attracted to other women, they are lesbians. Heterosexual mean are something else.

Honestly, you talk about all this stuff as if it is objective fact and you are 'educating' us all.

What you are saying is just what you believe, its not based in fact or reality. It's like listening to a devout Catholic talking about Holy Communion or something.

"What you are saying is just what you believe, its not based in fact or reality. It's like listening to a devout Catholic talking about Holy Communion or something."

Right back at ya ;-)