Lesbian Visibility Week

[Shizuku]

Shout out to my fellow lesbians on this important week!

I will be wearing my lesbian pride badge right next to my trans pride badge for the whole week in all public spaces.

@WhoNeedsaManOfTheWorld

One thing never changes, males support males I have never seen a TW make a statement or campaign for anything that would improve the lives of females. They work to improve things for other TW and push women out further Which makes it even more pathetic that women trip up over themselves to centre these males They need to engage their critical thinking skills

That's clearly down to you not meeting enough transgender people. Transgender people (specifically trans women) fought for gay/lesbians rights to begin with.

ASugarr

Does that mean you endorse the attitudes of the guildmates in this woman's testimony?

A few years ago, I used to play a MMORPG in which I joined a LGBT guild because I wanted a place where I could be myself without risking being harassed or bullied if people found out that I am a lesbian. I had a great time in this guild and made a lot of friends.

About 3 months after I joined, a transwoman in the guild sent me a private message in-game asking if I would be interested in dating her. I politely declined. She asked if it was because she was trans and I said yes. I tried to explain as nicely and politely as possible that I just can’t deal with penises, male bodies, and male voices. I just can’t find them attractive, especially penises because just seeing them brings up memories of when I was raped as a child. She demanded that I date her anyway and threatened to tell everyone in the guild that I was transphobic if I didn’t. She also demanded that I send her nude pictures of myself. I refused. I took screenshots of the chat log just in-case, logged off, and went to bed feeling awful.

While I was asleep, the transwoman did exactly what she said she would do. She told the guild’s leader that she asked me for make-up advice and that I responded by saying she could never look like a real woman and that I had called her a bunch of slurs. When I turned my PC on the next day, I was greeted by a message from the guild leader in the guild’s group chat on Skype (this was before Discord existed) that I was going to be removed from the guild because of my alleged transphobia. I denied it and a few of the other members came to my defense, saying it didn’t seem like something I would do, as I was always very friendly to everyone. I sent the screenshots of the chat log thinking it would clear my name, since she straight up said she was going to lie about me. Instead of focusing on that, the discussion shifted to me refusing to date her. I was told, by people that had been my friends for months, that my “genital preference” was transphobic and that I should just get over my trauma or just kill myself. I was told that even if I am not attracted to her, I have to date her to affirm her identity as a trans lesbian. I was given an ultimatum, date her or be removed from the guild. I refused and was kicked out.

From that point on, I was bullied by my former guild-mates whenever we happened to come across each other in-game. When I joined a new guild, the transwoman and the leader of my old guild found out. They messaged the leader of my new guild and told him that I was a racist and was using hacks. This was shortly after there was an outbreak of hackers using an exploit in the game to delete parts of another player’s character data causing their characters to become corrupted and unable to be logged into (great Korean free-to-play MMO security pretend-thumbs-up-emoji) and there was quite a bit of paranoia amongst the community because of it. I was kicked from that guild too. The in-game bullying continued for a bit and I eventually quit a few weeks later.

I was bullied in school for being a lesbian when I made the stupid mistake of reading a lesbian romance manga in class. The internet was my escape from that, where I could be myself without being afraid. I’ve tried to join other LGBT and lesbian focused communities on sites like reddit but ever since that incident with that MMO guild and similar things I’ve seen happen to girls on places like /r/actuallesbians, I have been afraid to admit that I don’t find transwomen attractive. I’m afraid to tell my LGBT-supporting friends, no matter how close we are or how long we’ve been friends. I’ve tried using dating sites and it seems like most of the lesbians on there are predatory transwomen that demand sex. I’ve been feeling pretty lonely and depressed, often thinking about suicide.

oursuperstories.com/i-was-given-an-ultimatum-date-her-or-be-removed-from-the-guild/

Sophocles

I’m not going to link to them again, because I find them genuinely distressing and would not wish lesbians on the thread to be subject to seeing them appear repeatedly.

Good point, well made.

The reason a word to describe two females enjoying each others female bodies, with no penis involved, was to show it was different from male female intercourse.
So maybe you need to get with the young people and use one of the words they invented. Pansexuality covers it.
So stop confusing lesbianism with pansexualism.

Letsgetreadytocrumble - The earth is flat and I know this is true because people say it is

Thank you for that incisive and scientific explanation. I'm a believer and my whole world view has been instantaneously changed

Oh btw, if you'd like to borrow my unicorn you can. It's really a horse with an ice cream cone on its head but people SAY it looks like a unicorn so it totally is. Really.

Absolutely, totally, 100% not lying. I promise...

@HamsterV2

For the 3rd time (now I've had it explained by MNHQ why it was deleted)

Trans lesbians do not exist, because trans women are biologically male. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being trans and heterosexual but the word 'lesbian' is taken - by women. As has been said previously, it's not gatekeeping, it's about definition and fact.

It's appropriation and colonisation, and it's crap like this that makes me ashamed to be part of of the trans community sometimes. You can stand WITH women but you can never BE one.

"Trans lesbians do not exist, because trans women are biologically male."

Speak for yourself.

"There is absolutely nothing wrong with being trans and heterosexual"

Indeed, some of my best friends are straight trans people.

"the word 'lesbian' is taken - by women."

I agree.

"It's appropriation and colonisation"

It's just some lesbians being themselves.

"it's crap like this that makes me ashamed to be part of of the trans community sometimes"

It's OK to disagree with people.

"You can stand WITH women but you can never BE one."

I disagree with you.

Here's a good gage for cutting through all the gaff. Posters answering yes to the question "Can Lesbians have a penis" are providing the gaff.

@Whythesadface

The reason a word to describe two females enjoying each others female bodies, with no penis involved, was to show it was different from male female intercourse. So maybe you need to get with the young people and use one of the words they invented. Pansexuality covers it. So stop confusing lesbianism with pansexualism.

How about you stop being homophobic and telling others what sexuality they must be.

@Letsgetreadytocrumble

Can lesbian sex involve penises? Your thoughts?

Yes.

Says who?

What is words?

Years ago when I was a teenager and my lesbian friends were told they just needed a bit of dick to sort them out and men joked about being a lesbian in a man's body this was defined as homophobia, now it is progressive and we're bigotted to not jump on board with it.

the more things change the more they stay the same.

There really are a quite astonishing number of people who don’t have the first idea what Maya’s case is about, and are happy to make sweeping generalisations about her that simply would not stand if made about other people. It really does show how limited their worldview is.

‘Lesbians and people’? Really?

I’ll just slink off to enjoy my unperson status, shall I?

@Stopthisnow

This thread demonstrates very well the problems lesbians (homosexual females) like me have been trying to highlight for years. The GRA and gender identity policies have led to a current situation where heterosexual males (most of whom have their genitals intact) feel entitled to identify as women and lesbian women, and assert that it is their ‘right’ to be included in lesbian and female spaces, that anyone who objects is a bigot or ‘transphobic’ and is denying their ‘rights’. I firmly believe this current situation needs to be spoken about in parliament and written about in mainstream media loudly and often, as most people believe it is a travesty when they understand that the GRA and gender identity policies have led to a situation where heterosexual males (particularly those with intact genitals) feel free to identify as women and lesbian women, and claim it is their ‘right’ to be treated as women and lesbian women and permitted into lesbian and female only spaces. I am very pleased the harms of gender ideology to young people and female sport are being highlighted in parliament and mainstream media, but this specific issue has not had anywhere near the publicity and it most definitely needs to become common public knowledge in my opinion.

"The GRA and gender identity policies have led to a current situation where heterosexual males (most of whom have their genitals intact) feel entitled to identify as women and lesbian women."

You can't choose your identity - you can only notice what it is. If they have a female identity, they are trans women, and if they are attracted to other women, they are lesbians. Heterosexual mean are something else.

You can't choose your identity - you can only notice what it is. If they have a female identity, they are trans women, and if they are attracted to other women, they are lesbians. Heterosexual mean are something else.

Sounds like we need yet another neologism, this time for adult human females who are attracted to other adult human females.

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

I noticed the topic of sexually coercive social pressure on lesbians has been touched on up thread, and some naïve advice has been proffered.

For those previously unaware of the scale of the issue, I've taken the liberty of collecting some accounts.

TW: experiences of homophobia, lesbophobia and racism.

account

"I’ve been officially out as a butch lesbian since the early 00’s (and my fam knew before then, like it was a surprise to no one even as a kid in the 90’s lmao). I’m black and the community I grew up in is/was super religious. I mean old school FIRE AND BRIMSTONE FOR SINNERS kind of shit.

"The opposition I faced with that is nothing, N-O-T-H-I-N-G compared to the hatred, contempt, and homophobia encountered when dealing with the trans community. I have been fighting this fight for years only to be told I’m lying. No waaaay a man would really tell you to suck dick and a bunch of women would cheer them on and blame YOU for not being inclusive it’s happening. No waaaay that’s true!

"Oh, you have proof?

"Well, um, those aren’t REAL transwomen.

"Really? Not a single one of those people is a “real” transwoman?: lesbian-rights-nz.org/shame-receipts/

"I have lost so many friends, some of them whom I’ve known since elementary school, to this cult. People who watched me get jumped and bullied in school numerous times, literally spit on at protests, and disowned by a huge chunk of my family because I stood up for my right to marry another woman someday. They went on to call me a bigot, transphobe, TERF (ironically I’d never heard this term until I was called it), the list goes on.

"When we got the right to marry and could no longer be denied other basic rights in the US, I figured the next logical step would be to focus on homosexuals in other places where they are still in literal danger; I assumed we would listen to them and see what we could do to help them obtain those rights too.

"Instead we ended up with this. Instead I had to fight the same exact fights again, but this time against the people who were once my friends.

"For a little while, I was spared some viciousness compared to white women because BLM was the hot take and no one wanted to be perceived as a racist. I watched the nicest woman I knew, who fosters animals and children and literally would not hurt a fly, be called Karen and told to kill herself while the aggressor was cheered on. All because she didn’t want to have sex with a male.

"As for my former immunity, that’s not been the case for a while. I have been called the N-word and other slurs while my own friends are only concerned I don’t “misgender” the person using them."

I looked at your link. I don't have time to read every single entry, but it looks to me like a bunch of people stating that if you refuse to date someone because they are trans, you are a transphobe.

Personally, I only partly agree - I think that being a transphobe is one quite common reason for it, but there are others too.

Exactly. Which is why no one has to agree with your own world and mind either

Maybe! Except the view I, and most others, hold hold is the one shared by the world at large, and is further reinforced by the equalities act and by the facts of biology.

🤍🤍🤍

You're putting words in people's mouths, ASugarr. That's not very nice.

*I looked at your link. I don't have time to read every single entry, but it looks to me like a bunch of people stating that if you refuse to date someone because they are trans, you are a transphobe.

Personally, I only partly agree - I think that being a transphobe is one quite common reason for it, but there are others too.*

Oh, interesting. What are the other reasons?

Scream and shout and tell us your truth, but be aware your truth is not the real truth, just the truth that lets you think your right.
Mean while in RL 99.999% of the human race know the truth.

I don’t have anything to say that I think can stay within the guidelines right now, so here’s a great quotation from a great lesbian for Lesbian Visibility Week instead.

“Here are the values that I stand for: honesty, equality, kindness, compassion, treating people the way you want to be treated and helping those in need. To me, those are traditional values.”

Ellen DeGeneres

I’m really thinking about compassion right now, and who has it, who demonstrates it.

Here's peachy yogurt with 'what is a lesbian'.

So is a lesbian not wanting to have sex with a transwoman transphobic in the same way that a straight woman not wanting to have sex with 'random man' is a lesbian? 🤔 🤍