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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lesbian Visibility Week

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Shizuku · 27/04/2021 11:40

Shout out to my fellow lesbians on this important week!

I will be wearing my lesbian pride badge right next to my trans pride badge for the whole week in all public spaces.

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R0wantrees · 29/04/2021 14:06

Lesbians are women loving women.

Ralph Lucas is a Conservative back bencher in The House of Lords.
May 5th 2020 he published clarification he had received from the government of the definition used for man and woman. This is based in Equality Act 2010
twitter.com/LordLucasCD/status/1257642470692868097

Lord Lucas wrote,

"Definitions. The government has helpfully pointed out the definitions that they use

"Man": from the Equality Act 2010: 'A male of any age'

"Woman": from the Equality Act 2010: 'A female of any age'"

Justhadathought · 29/04/2021 14:07

Lesbians are women loving women

Many women love other women. Political lesbians can choose to love only women; but lesbianism in most normal regards is about female sexual attraction to one's own sex.

Justhadathought · 29/04/2021 14:10

But you also said that with breast cancer screening you mentioned you were trans. So are you a transman then? Because I remember you saying you were a transwoman, which would mean someone with a male biology

This is what happens when gender identity is conflated with sex. Utter confusion. If someone was born female as well as identifies as female than there would be no need to transition.

HamsterV2 · 29/04/2021 14:10

So I (as a trans person) just had my previous post deleted for stating biological fact. Seems like trans people can't tell the truth now either.

AbsintheFriends · 29/04/2021 14:11

Are we really saying that badges rather than biology determine our identity now? Have I got that right?

Doyoumind · 29/04/2021 14:13

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R0wantrees · 29/04/2021 14:13

This is what happens when gender identity is conflated with sex. Utter confusion

'The importance of language when talking about transgenderism': Julia Long
19 Aug 2020

Women's Human Rights Campaign (WHRC)

HamsterV2 · 29/04/2021 14:15

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DialSquare · 29/04/2021 14:17

@HamsterV2

So I (as a trans person) just had my previous post deleted for stating biological fact. Seems like trans people can't tell the truth now either.
I saw nothing wrong with your post Hamster and do not understand why it was deleted.
BadGherkin · 29/04/2021 14:20

Actually, it is a t-shirt, not a badge. A t-shirt.

Doyoumind · 29/04/2021 14:20

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Waitwhat23 · 29/04/2021 14:22

@hamsterV2 I agree with a previous poster - I really would be hard pushed to say what was wrong with your deleted comment. I would also like to say how nice it is to hear from someone who is trans but does not believe that you can actually change sex - you are a voice of rational thought in all this.

CorvusPurpureus · 29/04/2021 14:25

Yup. Got me a strike Hmm - suppose I should be grateful I at least got an email this time...that'll teach me to play pigeon chess Grin.

Eppur si muove, & lesbians are still people of the female sex who are attracted to other people of the female sex.

HamsterV2 · 29/04/2021 14:27

For the 3rd time (now I've had it explained by MNHQ why it was deleted)

Trans lesbians do not exist, because trans women are biologically male. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being trans and heterosexual but the word 'lesbian' is taken - by women. As has been said previously, it's not gatekeeping, it's about definition and fact.

It's appropriation and colonisation, and it's crap like this that makes me ashamed to be part of of the trans community sometimes. You can stand WITH women but you can never BE one.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/04/2021 14:28

Well said, Hamster.

ASugarr · 29/04/2021 14:28

@Justhadathought

But he's not a woman. He is a man. Lesbians are women loving women

Gender identity does not change one's sex. Lesbians are same sex attracted

Doesn't matter. He is not a woman therefore isn't a lesbian
ASugarr · 29/04/2021 14:28

@HamsterV2

For the 3rd time (now I've had it explained by MNHQ why it was deleted)

Trans lesbians do not exist, because trans women are biologically male. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being trans and heterosexual but the word 'lesbian' is taken - by women. As has been said previously, it's not gatekeeping, it's about definition and fact.

It's appropriation and colonisation, and it's crap like this that makes me ashamed to be part of of the trans community sometimes. You can stand WITH women but you can never BE one.

Trans lesbians exist
Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/04/2021 14:29

Yes, I dare say female people who exclusively are attracted to other female people are trans also.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/04/2021 14:30

The denial of exclusively same sex attraction is homophobia.

R0wantrees · 29/04/2021 14:31

Dr Julia Long
Transgenderism & Lesbian Erasure
25 May 2018
(linked previously)
transcript

concludes:
"I will finish this my final sentence because what I've just described actually has a name. What I've just described; the deprivation of
cultural values and identity, dispossession of spaces and resources,
population transfer, forced assimilation and propaganda directed at the group, actually under the UN definition, constitutes the criteria of 'cultural genocide'. That comes under article 7 of the draft UN declaration on the rights of indigenous people. And all of those we can find examples of what they are doing to lesbian culture and lesbian community"

Faffertea · 29/04/2021 14:31

Good grief this thread has really demonstrated the pernicious way language and meaning has been twisted. It must be exhausting and distressing to deal with in real life.

Solidarity with my lesbian sisters.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/04/2021 14:32

I hope it's demonstrating it far and wide.

CorvusPurpureus · 29/04/2021 14:33

I know an adult human female who is same sex attracted but thinks of theirself as non binary.

So I suppose they could arguably be a trans lesbian? First bit identity, second bit sexuality? They seems to fit the definitions of both...

HamsterV2 · 29/04/2021 14:33

Trans lesbians exist

So do unicorns. Take a white horse, stick an upturned ice-cream cone on it's head et voila. A unicorn.

Waste of ice cream though, but there you go.

Talking of ice cream, I have some really nice rum and raisin in the freezer and it's calling my name.

R0wantrees · 29/04/2021 14:33

Solidarity with my lesbian sisters.

Solidarity and sisterhood
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