Trans lesbian?

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My first ever post on this board. Long time reader, and have found it highly educational. Thank you everyone.

There is a pullout in today's Guardian about influential lesbians. Cameos and longer pieces. One of the longer pieces is an interview with a "trans lesbian."

AIBUin thinking that's a bit odd?

This has nothing to do with the OP and is also false if you look at statistics of female murders.
www.endviolenceagainstwomen.org.uk/femicide-census-reveals-half-of-uk-women-killed-by-men-die-at-hands-of-partner-or-ex/

To return to the OP.
Transwomen are not female, so they cannot be lesbians as the word lesbian means a female person sexually attracted to members of her own sex

@suggestionsplease1

It's concerning about the studies showing higher levels of intimate partner violence in lesbian relationships compared to gay male relationships and straight relationships, isn't it?

Diversion tactics. You're scrapping the barrel now.

How on earth is that relevant? Is it even true? I can’t find any stats to back that up from my google.

Exhibit a

I can across this paper from 1996 during a random googling session

'Are Lesbians women?'

philpapers.org/rec/JACALW

That's the kind of attitude lesbians are up against, and @suggestionsplease1 with their weird segue into 'lesbian intimate partner violence' is smack bang in that tradition

Haven't read the full thread. Just popping by to invoke Bunbury.

To answer the op: just like transwomen aren't women, trans-lesbians aren't lesbians.

Yes giving oxygen to people's blatant homophobia is not a good idea. Cheers Bunbury.

It's relevant because of the implication in this thread that it is not so problematic for a gay woman to ask a straight woman out because women are safer in relationships with other women rather than with men.

Unfortunately this is not so clear cut.

Here's a review of the current literature on this issue.

www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.01506/full

the implication in this thread that it is not so problematic for a gay woman to ask a straight woman out because women are safer in relationships with other women rather than with men

literally no-one said that

you need to work on your reading comprehension

the issue is not that woman are less safe with men (although they are)

the issue is that women have a right to say no to men

except some people seem to really struggle with that idea

Look! A squirrel!

Topic of the thread is male born people identifying as lesbians. Not violent lesbians, not straight women being propositioned by lesbians.

We’re talking about varieties of male sexual entitlement. Some people don’t like talking about that.

@Trevsadick

It's concerning about the studies showing higher levels of intimate partner violence in lesbian relationships compared to gay male relationships and straight relationships, isn't it?

How is this relevant to this conversation?

How does this have anything to do, with the fact that biological males can not be lesbians?

When I posted making a parallel that a gay woman asking a straight woman out is comparable to a male bodied trans lesbian IDing person asking a lesbian out I was told that this was not a viable comparison because male bodied people pose more danger to women.

eg "Predatory men or predatory lesbians? Who is the most dangerous to women?"

The inference was that woman are at more risk in relationships with men than with woman. I have responded showing that this issue is not so clear cut by citing a review of the literature considering IPV in same sex relationships.

We’re talking about varieties of male sexual entitlement

Indeedy

A heterosexual male declaring themselves to be a lesbian is homophobia and appropriation

a broadsheet newspaper giving uncritical houseroom to such an individual is jaw dropping

predatory lesbians

do me a favour

can you please give it a rest with this nonsense?

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

the implication in this thread that it is not so problematic for a gay woman to ask a straight woman out because women are safer in relationships with other women rather than with men

literally no-one said that

you need to work on your reading comprehension

Meant to quote this post with reference to mine.

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

predatory lesbians

do me a favour

can you please give it a rest with this nonsense?

You do know that it was @Sophoclesthefox and @334bu that made reference to predatory lesbians right?

I was told that this was not a viable comparison because male bodied people pose more danger to women

you were not (although they do)

you were advised to check out the structural inequality that lesbians and all women are subject to so you are able to understand the wider context

You do know that it was @Sophoclesthefox and @334bu that made reference to predatory lesbians right?

as a summary of your very strange position

'women are violent too, therefore it's fine for a subset of males to try to erase the category of same sex attracted women'

let's cut to the chase - do you think it's OK for a male who is attracted to the opposite sex (so a heterosexual male), to call themselves a lesbian?

why?

So what do you think of lesbians who ask out hitherto straight women? It happens all time and quite often leads to relationships - but, in your reasoning, such a suggestion is incredibly disrespectful of straight women's boundaries, isn't it?

Unless those lesbians are insisting that their advances must be considered because they are, in fact, men - because they say so - then no, it's not the same thing.

You do know that it was @Sophoclesthefox and @334bu that made reference to predatory lesbians right

Nice twist! People can look upthread and see that the reference I made was to you talking about predatory lesbians, and me pointing out that isnt the topic of this thread.

Does this dead-cat-on-the-table style of debate usually serve you well? Because it’s not doing so here. Please have the courtesy to stick to the topic of the thread, and don’t put words in my mouth (screen) that I didn’t say. Not even when you’re flailing to find ways to paint lesbians as violent abusers - it’s still lesbophobia, which this thread touches on, but it’s not on topic.

Men are more violent than women.
Although it's not relevent anyway. Men can't be lesbians. Lesbians are same sex attracted. To other women. Not men. Transwomen are men. Women that are happy to be in a relationship with transwomen are straight women. Or bi, if they also have relationships with women. That's it. It's really pretty simple.

Sexual orientation is based on the sex of a person. If a transgender person of the male to female kind, was heterosexual as a male person, their sexual orientation hasnt changed only the clothes and make up and medical interventation' if any. If they dont like to to be labelled hetero' why dont they adopt pansexual as that includes women and transwomen . To say you are a lesbian is exlcuding those transwomen who acknowledge their biological sex

It's relevant because of the implication in this thread that it is not so problematic for a gay woman to ask a straight woman out because women are safer in relationships with other women rather than with men.

Why are you trying to derail this converstatiom.

Firstly, women are in more danger from having relationships with men.

Secondly, your original point, was about lesbians approaching and asking straight women out.

A relationship is irrelevant, because if the straight woman accepted she isn't straight.

Woman are in far more danger from men showing interest, than from women.

Just to clarify, I have only ever quoted the use of the phrase 'predatory lesbians' by others in this thread, and have not used this expression first hand myself.

My points have all been relevant to others made in this thread.

Finally, I note that the literature is also clear that the attempts at silencing discussion on IPV in same sex relationships is a contributory factor to the problem, and that is a real shame for my community.