Keira Bell and Tavistock Appeal 29th June

[AdHominemNonSequitur]

Saw on Twitter.

twitter.com/lascapigliata8/status/1385333087547101184
I think costs are escallating.

Pumpkin I read an AMA thread by Keira on here some time ago and she explained that she got a GRC so is legally male and legally her name is still Quincy, and there's no legal method to cancel our revoke a GRC. However she now goes by Keira again.

There are some big companies supporting the interveners, wagamama raise and give money to gendered intelligence as one example, if anyone would like to let them know why thats a really bad and stupid thing to do I'm sure their ceo/head office info is readily available online.
We need to make it clear that these orgs are not credible.

Remember, a majority of detranitioners, retransition, so make sure that Keira knows that option is always open to her.

@Shizuku

Remember, a majority of detranitioners, retransition, so make sure that Keira knows that option is always open to her.

Evidence please.

You know that we know there is a significant lack of studies about detransitioners.

Although, you did post a great one recently that put the rate at 8.8% for male iirc and 8.3% for female looking at some longer term stats.

Got some other evidence you’d like to post?

@Shizuku

Remember, a majority of detranitioners, retransition, so make sure that Keira knows that option is always open to her.

I'm fairly sure that isn't actually true.

Come to think about it shizuku never did acknowledge or make comment on the fact that a study they posted showed that males detransitioner at a rate of 8.8% and females at 8.3% in the long term European study they posted a month or so ago.

I have asked a few times now and no answer. I am sure I am not the only person to notice the lack of the answer or even just acknowledgement. It must have been an inconvenient fact to come out of the study they posted.

Remember, a majority of detranitioners, retransition, so make sure that Keira knows that option is always open to her.

No doubt Keira does know that. That seems like quite an unnecessary, rude and dismissive comment about her situation.

If transitioners detransition, then re-transition, that's pretty much proof that they really needed impartial counselling in the first place.

@Shizuku

Remember, a majority of detranitioners, retransition, so make sure that Keira knows that option is always open to her.

You have absolutely no compassion at all, have you, Shizuku? And yet an abundance of arrogance, to think that you know more than Kiera about her options now.

@Shizuku

Remember, a majority of detranitioners, retransition, so make sure that Keira knows that option is always open to her.

Given that we don't have absolute numbers of detransitioners (as Trans ideology activists) are ever keen to point out, I would be interested to see the source of that bold claim.

AdHominemNonSequitur

I think we will be a longtime waiting. I still haven’t even got acknowledgement from the statistics that this poster did post several threads ago that showed long term detransition at 8.3-8.8%.

Given that we don't have absolute numbers of detransitioners (as Trans ideology activists) are ever keen to point out, I would be interested to see the source of that bold claim.

You will be waiting forever. Or you will get some link that doesn't prove it, or is not relevant in the slightest. Seems that any old resource about anything can identify as a credible resource these days.

Grr - sorry to go off point, but Crowdjustice seem to have taken 2 payments from me. I was only aware of making one. This is compounded by the fact that I forgot about their treatment of Allison Bailey and added the extra £1.

@Shizuku

Remember, a majority of detranitioners, retransition, so make sure that Keira knows that option is always open to her.

Evidence? Because I'm calling bullshit on this one.

"Evidence? Because I'm calling bullshit on this one."

It's from a 2015 survey of nearly 28,000 people conducted by the U.S.-based National Center for Transgender Equality. 8 percent of respondents reported detransitioning, but 62 percent of those people said they only detransitioned temporarily. The most common reason for detransitioning, according to the survey, was pressure from a parent, while only 0.4 percent of respondents said they detransitioned after realizing transitioning wasn’t right for them.

www.ustranssurvey.org/reports

It's 2021, and the majority of this forum is in the UK, Shizuku

And ’conducted by the U.S.-based National Center for Transgender Equality’ does not fill me with confidence that this study was free of bias.

But, mainly what Greyhound said.

I have shown my solidarity in the garden again just now.

I am so nervous that this could be overturned.

@Leafstamp

And ’conducted by the U.S.-based National Center for Transgender Equality’ does not fill me with confidence that this study was free of bias.

But, mainly what Greyhound said.

Are you saying the accounts of detransitioners shouldn't be trusted? Or are you saying we should only believe the accounts of detransitioners who support your political ideology?

I’m not saying either of those things, I’m saying you have a healthy cynicism of statistics published by organisations that are not neutral to the subject matter. This is my general view across all subjects from science to politics and more.

In addition to the organisation carrying out the research (any research on any topic), I think it’s also important to look at who commissioned the research and who funds it, and who stands to benefit from a certain result being “proven”.

*I have a healthy cynicism, not you.

@Leafstamp

I’m not saying either of those things, I’m saying you have a healthy cynicism of statistics published by organisations that are not neutral to the subject matter. This is my general view across all subjects from science to politics and more.

In addition to the organisation carrying out the research (any research on any topic), I think it’s also important to look at who commissioned the research and who funds it, and who stands to benefit from a certain result being “proven”.

"I’m saying you have a healthy cynicism of statistics published by organisations that are not neutral to the subject matter."

So you would be wary of the anecdotes in the booklet they are discussing here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4228051-A-thoughtful-and-beautifully-illustrated-booklet-for-Detransitioners

We have just been through this on another thread.

This study is pre-2015 and it is based in the USA.

We keep telling you that the cohort of transitioners has changed significantly, even from 2015. Therefore the experiences of the detransitioners from that study may not represent the experience of the UK and European detransitioners very well at all.

It is NOT that the accounts of the detransitioners in the study should not be trusted. It is that they are not going to be truly representative of the detransitioner experience here.

I am not sure how many more times we can point out that you seem to ignore the female transition experience which is highly relevant to the current cohort of young transitioners at this time. Why is that?

Why do you ignore that the majority of young transitioners in the UK are females with very unique needs to those of the male transitioners?

Not only that. But many posters on FWR are the mothers of these young females who identify as trans. So, many of the posters here on FWR have direct experience with their needs.