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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Could you stay married to a TRA?

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SapphosRock · 22/04/2021 15:44

She believes TWAW, their feelings are more important than women’s rights and some lesbians have penises. Get over it. She was on here once upon a time but got permanently banned.
Everything else about the relationship is wonderful. Can we get past this? It seems like a stupid reason to get divorced. Our values used to be fairly similar but she’s got heavily involved in trans activism and I have gone the other way. Sorry for the pity party, just feel quite down about it today. Has anyone else been through similar?

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Shizuku · 22/04/2021 21:48

I am married to a TRA. She's the most fantastic person I have ever met.

SapphosRock · 22/04/2021 21:49

Thanks Prawn. Haven't seen you for a while, nice to see you on my thread Smile

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SapphosRock · 22/04/2021 21:51

@Shizuku

I am married to a TRA. She's the most fantastic person I have ever met.
Same 😂

From what I've seen of your other posts I'm sure you are very happy together.

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BaseDrops · 22/04/2021 21:58

Shizuku - sliding doors. Could be you in a year.

Theredjellybean · 22/04/2021 22:08

I couldn't stay with some one lacking in critical thinking skills and frankly so thick as to believe this tripe.
It wouldnt matter what the topic. Such a startling lack of intellect would finish relationship for me

SmokedDuck · 22/04/2021 22:19

@Cwenthryth

I can see how you would be taken aback by her supporting actual violence against women, real-life violence committed by TRAs, I think you are being too kind by just saying ‘taken aback’!!! Charitably I’m hoping perhaps she doesn’t fully hear what she is saying?

I hope your couples therapy helps you understand each other (and helps her hear what she is actually saying!)

The way I find I can understand this kind of thing is if I imagie it in a somewhat analogous situation, where I agree with the other perspective. It doesn't have to be exactly analogous, just similar in terms of the structure of the issue, as it were.

For example, I belong to a group that does various kinds of work with disadvantaged kids, many of whom are black. In that neighbourhood there has recently ben an influx of recent arrivals in the country of Middle Eastern origin, also disadvantaged and could be served by the same programs. It hasn't been an entirely smooth demographic change though mostly it's been ok.

But I can imagine if the parents from the first group had said the second group shouldn't have access to the services, they were not intended for them but for the original community who had been there historically for many generations and had a totally different historical experience, I would not be that sympathetic. (And, FWIW - they would be right that there experience was different and I suspect it will be different in the future as well.)

Not that I would condone violence, I wouldn't, but if those parents felt they wanted to leave in protest I would have a hard time motivating myself to feel bad or do anything about it.

So I can see - if someone else thinks that there is a situation that is like that, they might have similar emotions to mine.

TinselAngel · 22/04/2021 22:23

@Shizuku

I am married to a TRA. She's the most fantastic person I have ever met.
"Oh are you drowning? Shame. I am nice and dry on the shore FYI."
NiceGerbil · 22/04/2021 22:24

In the context of Brighton though it's kind of like

Being a happy member in a lovely community, the religion analogy comes to mind again. Families, relationships, friendships, often embedded in this community.

Being chucked out (terfed out? Sorry) is a massive deal.

And remember Sapphos you were where she is now, more or less, a few years back.

SapphosRock · 22/04/2021 22:28

NiceGerbil interesting you thought I was a TRA as I never considered myself to be. I felt lesbians and TW were siblings and allies within the LGBTQ community and could happily co-exist with mutual respect for one another but I've been proved wrong a few too many times now.

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 22/04/2021 22:29

big sign 'NO TERFS' on the door.

Any signs announcing, NO SERFS ? Which is even more satisfactorily ambiguous now I consider it given that it serves the dual purpose of informing potential patrons of occupational bars and of restricted menu options, No Terfs, No Serfs (no vegan meat nor shellfish).

ArabellaScott · 22/04/2021 22:30

"Oh are you drowning? Shame. I am nice and dry on the shore FYI."

Oof. Yes, on the nose.

NiceGerbil · 22/04/2021 22:34

I dunno about TRA.

But you did dive in to what at the time would have been seen as a place full of people who are pretty nasty, and put arguments as to why it was all wrong.

I'd think that someone who cared enough to walk into the lions den, as it were, felt very strongly about it iyswim.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 22/04/2021 22:36

@SapphosRock

I couldn't stay married to someone who thinks men are much more important than women, and who thinks it's ok for women's hard-won rights to be removed in favour of men and male-born people.

She honestly sees no difference at all between women and TW, well apart from she thinks TW are more oppressed.

This is not a stupid reason to get divorced! I would stay married to a sexist man so don't see why it's any different with a sexist woman!
NiceGerbil · 22/04/2021 22:36

So yes I do think that making the effort and taking the time to single handedly (often) argue the other view is activist.

NiceGerbil · 22/04/2021 22:38

No serfs?

Don't get it. Occupational?

Baffled sorry! Suppose I could Google!

SmokedDuck · 22/04/2021 22:38

Yeah, I think Op that it could be the case that your wife sees you as having abandoned her on this issue. Having become radicalised by MN!

That doesn't help your immediate problem but maybe could help with the emotional side?

NiceGerbil · 22/04/2021 22:38

Google gives me medieval meaning.

Have I missed a joke/ something obvious?!

SmokedDuck · 22/04/2021 22:39

@NiceGerbil

No serfs?

Don't get it. Occupational?

Baffled sorry! Suppose I could Google!

S is for sex worker, I think.
NiceGerbil · 22/04/2021 22:41

When you were posting on MN back in the old days did she know what you were posting about/ what did she think/ did you read bits out/ did she suggest arguments etc?

Was she as strong in her views back then?

Sorry being nosey! Just I imagine you must have done and whether you were together on it but just you posting/ she wasn't interested and has become more so etc.

The strength of your views over time and agreement etc impacts on this I think.

NiceGerbil · 22/04/2021 22:42

Thought that was swerf? Am I out of date :/

SmokedDuck · 22/04/2021 22:44

I don't know, maybe I mixing things up.

RedToothBrush · 22/04/2021 22:49

What i find striking from your posts is this isn't merely about a difference of views.

Its about her wanting to fit in and be accepted by a toxic group who have a negative impact on you.

She's like the kid desparately to fit in with the cool gang and is happy to shit on you amd anyone else out there in the process to do achieve their approval.

You should be her priority, but you are being put second to this desire to 'say the right thing' to be part of the in crowd.

In saying she could lose her job because of your membership of women's rights groups she is being emotionally manipulative and coercive.

She can not see the problem with any employer who takes this view. Instead she's almost defending it rather than condemning it as appalling (and probably illegal).

It isn't just that she believes TWAW. Its that she thinks the tactics of intimidating and bullying are legitimate and she's either supportive of it or too cowardly to denounce it - even privately in a safe environment.

I don't see this belief stopping where it currently is for this reason. My suspicion is that it will escalate and become gradually more aggressive in tone and demanding that you too comply with it.

I feel that your relationship is doomed because of it. The respect between you has gone. Your boundaries are being pushed and I bet it gets worse.

I hope I'm wrong.

SapphosRock · 22/04/2021 22:53

We both signed up to MN after becoming parents and both pleasantly surprised it had a feminism section. Then both shocked at what we perceived to be anti trans sentiment. She got into a few rows and was banned and thinks it's awful and hateful. I stuck around and here we are.

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NiceGerbil · 22/04/2021 23:02

Oh ok yes swerf is the term.

Swerf is about, essentially, buying and selling sex is great and just like working in an office or buying a loaf of bread and anyone (female) who disagrees is dried up old prune who is jealous of young attractive women making £££ in a great job from their straying husband's

While terf is

Anyone (female) who disagrees that men are women if they say so is a.. ? Well similar arguments to an extent.

I mean we all know these but the ongoing mystery is why for a very long time swerf and terf have gone hand in hand.

On the face of it they are very different issues.

OTOH they are both things that groups of men think are good things to be allowed...

NiceGerbil · 22/04/2021 23:20

Oh wow Sapphos

It takes s fair amount to get banned! So she's been vocal for a fair old while.