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LGB Alliance is now a registered charity

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OhHolyJesus · 20/04/2021 12:38

It took over a year...

"LGBA applied to register as a charity in March 2020. Its purposes are to promote equality and diversity and human rights.
The test of charity status is set out in law. A charity is an organisation with exclusively charitable purposes for the public benefit, that is subject to the jurisdiction of the High Court of England and Wales. If it meets these legal tests, it will be entered on the charity register.
It is not the Commission’s role to make value judgements about the aims or ideas put forward by any organisation. Instead, its role is to decide whether an organisation’s purposes fall within the legal definition of charity.
The Commission received a number of objections to the registration of LGBA as a charity. It carefully considered these as part of making its decision. In handling this application, the Commission has had regard to the Public Sector Equality Duty.
Registered charities fall under the Commission’s regulation, and their trustees must continuously meet the legal duties and responsibilities set down under charity law. A charity can promote the rights of one or more specific groups, but may not do so whilst demeaning or denigrating the rights of others, including on social media – and the Commission will consider taking regulatory action where that occurs.
The full decision, explaining the grounds for registering the organisation and the objections that were considered, can be found on GOV.UKK_"

www.gov.uk/government/news/charity-commission-confirms-registration-of-lgb-alliance

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 21/04/2021 15:29

@HeeeeeyBogie

Yes please *@RufustheBadgeringReindeer*
Upthread somewhere is a twitter link. There's a screenshot in there...
CuriousaboutSamphire · 21/04/2021 15:30

Ignore that, I've just realised how many posts there are Grin

ASugarr · 21/04/2021 15:30

@yourhairiswinterfire

That is how the process is and as R quoted, its the standard practice. They aren't a secret, they just aren't for the public. They are for the students and the school to have.

Can the parents view the material being used to teach their children?

That depends on the organisation I believe.
RedDogsBeg · 21/04/2021 15:31

They aren't a secret, they just aren't for the public.

Of course they are for the public, parents and the public at large have every right to know what is being taught in schools and by whom.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 21/04/2021 15:31

Organisation or school?

RedDogsBeg · 21/04/2021 15:32

That depends on the organisation I believe.

No, it doesn't.

R0wantrees · 21/04/2021 15:34

Department of Education

The Equality Act 2010 and Public Sector Equality Duty
"Schools are required to comply with relevant requirements of the Equality Act 2010. Chapter 1 of Part 6 of the Act applies to schools.

The content of the school curriculum is exempt from the duties imposed on schools by Part 6 of the Equality Act.

This means schools are free to include a full range of issues, ideas and materials in their curriculum. Schools are not required to equally weight all of the protected characteristics within the curriculum.

The Public Sector Equality Duty (as set out in section 149 of the Equality Act 2010) requires all public authorities (including state-funded schools) in the exercise of their function, to have due regard to the need to:

eliminate discrimination, harassment, victimisation and any other conduct that is prohibited by or under the Equality Act
advance equality of opportunity between persons who share a relevant protected characteristic and persons who do not share it
foster good relations between persons who share a relevant protected characteristic and persons who do not share it
Relevant protected characteristics are:

age
disability
gender reassignment
pregnancy and maternity
race
religion or belief
sex and sexual orientation
State-funded schools must ensure that the public sector equality duty is discharged when taking decisions.

Pupils should leave school with a proper understanding of the importance of equality and respecting and understanding differences. This includes differences in religion, belief, or sexual orientation."
www.gov.uk/guidance/plan-your-relationships-sex-and-health-curriculum#using-external-agencies

UK Government
Commentary on Sections
Part 2: Equality: Key Concepts
Chapter 1: Protected characteristics
Equality Act
Section 12: Sexual orientation
Effect
55.This section defines the protected characteristic of sexual orientation as being a person’s sexual orientation towards:

people of the same sex as him or her (in other words the person is a gay man or a lesbian)

people of the opposite sex from him or her (the person is heterosexual)

people of both sexes (the person is bisexual).

Background
57.The definition is designed to replicate the effect of similar provisions in the Employment Equality (Sexual Orientation) Regulations 2003 and the Equality Act 2006.

Examples
A man who experiences sexual attraction towards both men and women is “bisexual” in terms of sexual orientation even if he has only had relationships with women.

A man and a woman who are both attracted only to people of the opposite sex from them share a sexual orientation.

A man who is attracted only to other men is a gay man. A woman who is attracted only to other women is a lesbian. So a gay man and a lesbian share a sexual orientation."
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/12/notes

External agencies, resources and/or facilitators suggesting to children in schools that heterosexual relationships may be lesbian or gay due to the 'gender identity' claimed by of one or more of those involved put the schools hosting in breech of their statutory responsibilities.

ASugarr · 21/04/2021 15:35

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Organisation or school?
Usually the organisation. It depends what kind of organization it is, if its a charity or a paid for service, who they are linked to. Etc. it can sometimes be the school if they have used an external company.
Erkrie · 21/04/2021 15:36

They aren't a secret, they just aren't for the public.

In which case, that makes it a secret, no? ☺️

CuriousaboutSamphire · 21/04/2021 15:38

No. I meant you have said school and organisation, which do you work for? It became muddled...

I know how external companies work, I work in one! To be clear, 20 years in FE and almost the same in another charitable job/voluntary alongside.

R0wantrees · 21/04/2021 15:38

Department of Education

"Knowledge about safer sex and sexual health is important to ensure that young people are equipped to make safe, informed and healthy choices. This should be delivered in a non-judgemental, factual way and allow scope for young people to ask questions in a safe environment. Schools have the freedom to develop an age-appropriate, developmental curriculum which meets the needs of their young people, in consultation with parents and the local community."

We are aware that topics involving gender and biological sex can be complex and sensitive matters to navigate. You should not reinforce harmful stereotypes, for instance by suggesting that children might be a different gender based on their personality and interests or the clothes they prefer to wear. Resources used in teaching about this topic must always be age-appropriate and evidence based. Materials which suggest that non-conformity to gender stereotypes should be seen as synonymous with having a different gender identity should not be used and you should not work with external agencies or organisations that produce such material. While teachers should not suggest to a child that their non-compliance with gender stereotypes means that either their personality or their body is wrong and in need of changing, teachers should always seek to treat individual students with sympathy and support.

You should work together with parents on any decisions regarding your school’s treatment of their child, in line with the school’s safeguarding policy and the statutory guidance on working together to safeguard children."

CuriousaboutSamphire · 21/04/2021 15:40

And all of that @ASugarr is why I suggested that you take legal advice, Union perhaps.

ASugarr · 21/04/2021 15:40

@R0wantrees

Department of Education

The Equality Act 2010 and Public Sector Equality Duty
"Schools are required to comply with relevant requirements of the Equality Act 2010. Chapter 1 of Part 6 of the Act applies to schools.

The content of the school curriculum is exempt from the duties imposed on schools by Part 6 of the Equality Act.

This means schools are free to include a full range of issues, ideas and materials in their curriculum. Schools are not required to equally weight all of the protected characteristics within the curriculum.

The Public Sector Equality Duty (as set out in section 149 of the Equality Act 2010) requires all public authorities (including state-funded schools) in the exercise of their function, to have due regard to the need to:

eliminate discrimination, harassment, victimisation and any other conduct that is prohibited by or under the Equality Act
advance equality of opportunity between persons who share a relevant protected characteristic and persons who do not share it
foster good relations between persons who share a relevant protected characteristic and persons who do not share it
Relevant protected characteristics are:

age
disability
gender reassignment
pregnancy and maternity
race
religion or belief
sex and sexual orientation
State-funded schools must ensure that the public sector equality duty is discharged when taking decisions.

Pupils should leave school with a proper understanding of the importance of equality and respecting and understanding differences. This includes differences in religion, belief, or sexual orientation."
www.gov.uk/guidance/plan-your-relationships-sex-and-health-curriculum#using-external-agencies

UK Government
Commentary on Sections
Part 2: Equality: Key Concepts
Chapter 1: Protected characteristics
Equality Act
Section 12: Sexual orientation
Effect
55.This section defines the protected characteristic of sexual orientation as being a person’s sexual orientation towards:

people of the same sex as him or her (in other words the person is a gay man or a lesbian)

people of the opposite sex from him or her (the person is heterosexual)

people of both sexes (the person is bisexual).

Background
57.The definition is designed to replicate the effect of similar provisions in the Employment Equality (Sexual Orientation) Regulations 2003 and the Equality Act 2006.

Examples
A man who experiences sexual attraction towards both men and women is “bisexual” in terms of sexual orientation even if he has only had relationships with women.

A man and a woman who are both attracted only to people of the opposite sex from them share a sexual orientation.

A man who is attracted only to other men is a gay man. A woman who is attracted only to other women is a lesbian. So a gay man and a lesbian share a sexual orientation."
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/12/notes

External agencies, resources and/or facilitators suggesting to children in schools that heterosexual relationships may be lesbian or gay due to the 'gender identity' claimed by of one or more of those involved put the schools hosting in breech of their statutory responsibilities.

Yes all of that is true. Additionally "All pupils should receive teaching on lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) relationships during their school years. Secondary schools should include LGBT content in their teaching. Primary schools are strongly encouraged, and enabled, when teaching about different types of family, to include families with same sex parents."
Helleofabore · 21/04/2021 15:41

They are for the students and the school to have.

Ahh... no. If you are teaching in a school, parents have EVERY right to see those resources. You have obviously missed the change to the Dept of Ed guidelines or you simply wish that was true. The school has to answer to parents questions.

Please stop misrepresenting safeguarding the way you do.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 21/04/2021 15:42

Yes, we know it is true. It's bloody legislation! IT is not in doubt.

HeeeeeyBogie · 21/04/2021 15:43

Thanks Samphire! I'll have a good look so don't worry about sending the pigeon over @RufustheBadgeringReindeer.

ASugarr · 21/04/2021 15:43

"We are aware that topics involving gender and biological sex can be complex and sensitive matters to navigate. You should not reinforce harmful stereotypes, for instance by suggesting that children might be a different gender based on their personality and interests or the clothes they prefer to wear. Resources used in teaching about this topic must always be age-appropriate and evidence based. Materials which suggest that non-conformity to gender stereotypes should be seen as synonymous with having a different gender identity should not be used and you should not work with external agencies or organisations that produce such material. While teachers should not suggest to a child that their non-compliance with gender stereotypes means that either their personality or their body is wrong and in need of changing, teachers should always seek to treat individual students with sympathy and support."

This is from the Plan your relationships, sex and health curriculum guidance.

Helleofabore · 21/04/2021 15:43

Additionally "All pupils should receive teaching on lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) relationships during their school years. Secondary schools should include LGBT content in their teaching. Primary schools are strongly encouraged, and enabled, when teaching about different types of family, to include families with same sex parents."

BINGO again.

No one. Absolutely no one on this thread disagrees with that point.

The fact you believe that LGBA disagree with that point is the topic under discussion.

Aposterhasnoname · 21/04/2021 15:43

But i have an idea how to do it another way 😀

If anyone can come up with a way to do it within the rules, tell me and I’ll do it.

RedDogsBeg · 21/04/2021 15:45

@Helleofabore

They are for the students and the school to have.

Ahh... no. If you are teaching in a school, parents have EVERY right to see those resources. You have obviously missed the change to the Dept of Ed guidelines or you simply wish that was true. The school has to answer to parents questions.

Please stop misrepresenting safeguarding the way you do.

and know which organistations those resources or those delivering those resources came from.
CuriousaboutSamphire · 21/04/2021 15:45

This is from the Plan your relationships, sex and health curriculum guidance. Yes, as already shown upthread. What are you reading into it that you want us to look at?

ASugarr · 21/04/2021 15:45

@Helleofabore

Additionally "All pupils should receive teaching on lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) relationships during their school years. Secondary schools should include LGBT content in their teaching. Primary schools are strongly encouraged, and enabled, when teaching about different types of family, to include families with same sex parents."

BINGO again.

No one. Absolutely no one on this thread disagrees with that point.

The fact you believe that LGBA disagree with that point is the topic under discussion.

The LGBA has said they disagree with this. They don't like that transgender people could even be mentioned or discussed.
Sophoclesthefox · 21/04/2021 15:46

@Helleofabore

Additionally "All pupils should receive teaching on lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) relationships during their school years. Secondary schools should include LGBT content in their teaching. Primary schools are strongly encouraged, and enabled, when teaching about different types of family, to include families with same sex parents."

BINGO again.

No one. Absolutely no one on this thread disagrees with that point.

The fact you believe that LGBA disagree with that point is the topic under discussion.

Absolutely.
CuriousaboutSamphire · 21/04/2021 15:48

The LGBA has said they disagree with this. They don't like that transgender people could even be mentioned or discussed. Oh! Do they? Where can I see that ontheir website?

Hint: They were involved in the recent changes

Materials which suggest that non-conformity to gender stereotypes should be seen as synonymous with having a different gender identity should not be used and you should not work with external agencies or organisations that produce such material.

Which is why transparency is vital!

ASugarr · 21/04/2021 15:48

They mention here that they are against it. In the GROUPS PROVIDING RESOURCES TO SCHOOLS section: lgballiance.org.uk/schools-campaign/

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