LGB Alliance is now a registered charity

[OhHolyJesus]

It took over a year...

"LGBA applied to register as a charity in March 2020. Its purposes are to promote equality and diversity and human rights.
The test of charity status is set out in law. A charity is an organisation with exclusively charitable purposes for the public benefit, that is subject to the jurisdiction of the High Court of England and Wales. If it meets these legal tests, it will be entered on the charity register.
It is not the Commission’s role to make value judgements about the aims or ideas put forward by any organisation. Instead, its role is to decide whether an organisation’s purposes fall within the legal definition of charity.
The Commission received a number of objections to the registration of LGBA as a charity. It carefully considered these as part of making its decision. In handling this application, the Commission has had regard to the Public Sector Equality Duty.
Registered charities fall under the Commission’s regulation, and their trustees must continuously meet the legal duties and responsibilities set down under charity law. A charity can promote the rights of one or more specific groups, but may not do so whilst demeaning or denigrating the rights of others, including on social media – and the Commission will consider taking regulatory action where that occurs.
The full decision, explaining the grounds for registering the organisation and the objections that were considered, can be found on GOV.UKK_"

www.gov.uk/government/news/charity-commission-confirms-registration-of-lgb-alliance

I REALLY hope you do understand.

Please do take some time to read the DofE links again and be certain that nothing you do contravenes it or Safeguarding. At the very least check the RSE resource you use and be sure it does not contravene the legislation.

So, I have read that page you linked ASugarr.

Where does it state that

"They don't like that transgender people could even be mentioned or discussed."

All I see is a comprehensive page with plenty of supporting evidence that any information should not only uphold the DofE guidelines, but have impeccable safeguarding foundations as well.

Do you disagree with that? Is that what you are considering to be 'hate'? Safeguarding, transparency, and working to allow those under 18 to have the time and space to be

left to develop in their own time to become whoever they choose to be.

Again, please back up your assertions with the evidence. You are making some very serious allegations.

I think what is important is young peoples rights as well.

Children have the right to be Safeguarded by those with parental responsibility, public services and the State. This includes providing an education free from ideology, political bias and that is fact-based.
All adults have the responsibility to Safeguard children.
In UK, children are under 18.

It's lesbophobic to lesbians who aren't same sex attracted.

Bloody heck. This is some serious unravelling. Just meaningless.

And you didn’t even try to respond to my point that you are lesbophobic for seeking to deny lesbians who are exclusively same sex attracted the same kind of representation and support you feel entitled to as a bisexual woman who’s happy under the LGBT umbrella.

So, ASugarr, I can only conclude that you are indeed lesbophobic, and indeed homophobic towards exclusively same sex attracted gay men, and have no qualms about being seen as such.

Different route but same end point as the Westboro Baptist church, and other luminaires of the Christian Right, in other words.

Good to know.

@TalkingtoLangClegintheDark

It's lesbophobic to lesbians who aren't same sex attracted.

Bloody heck. This is some serious unravelling. Just meaningless.

And you didn’t even try to respond to my point that you are lesbophobic for seeking to deny lesbians who are exclusively same sex attracted the same kind of representation and support you feel entitled to as a bisexual woman who’s happy under the LGBT umbrella.

So, ASugarr, I can only conclude that you are indeed lesbophobic, and indeed homophobic towards exclusively same sex attracted gay men, and have no qualms about being seen as such.

Different route but same end point as the Westboro Baptist church, and other luminaires of the Christian Right, in other words.

Good to know.

I'm cool with people being same sex attracted. But I'm not okay with people telling others they aren't the sexuality they are because they don't define their attraction to someone by their sex. That's all.

@CuriousaboutSamphire

I REALLY hope you do understand.

Please do take some time to read the DofE links again and be certain that nothing you do contravenes it or Safeguarding. At the very least check the RSE resource you use and be sure it does not contravene the legislation.

It's fine. I'm well aware that everything we do perfectly fits in with the DofE

Wait, what?

You are 'cool' with homosexuality but think heterosexuals have the right to self define as gay too?

Biology again! And deceptive.

It's lesbophobic to lesbians who aren't same sex attracted.

Bloody heck. This is some serious unravelling. Just meaningless

I would like to ask who changed the meaning of being a lesbian to anything other than 'same sex attracted' and did they get agreement from all lesbians? or just became enforcers for those who wanted 'in' on the word for their own purposes?

Kind of hypocritical to tell lesbians on MN what is and isn't 'lesbophobic' isn't?

@R0wantrees

I think what is important is young peoples rights as well.

Children have the right to be Safeguarded by those with parental responsibility, public services and the State. This includes providing an education free from ideology, political bias and that is fact-based.
All adults have the responsibility to Safeguard children.
In UK, children are under 18.

Yes. Every child is entitled to safeguarding. Obviously. And parents will be informed where it's safe to.

As you are a bisexual woman ASug what makes you bisexual?

Are you attracted to both sexes (therefore agreeing that there are only two sexes)?

What would you say Pansexual is as a sexual orientation?

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Wait, what?

You are 'cool' with homosexuality but think heterosexuals have the right to self define as gay too?

Biology again! And deceptive.

Again. Not everyone cares about the biology of who they are attracted to. I know a man and woman who are together and are straight. Yet one of them is transgender. Doesn't mean that they aren't straight/heterosexual.

Re safeguarding, confidentiality and external organisations in schools. The school's safeguarding policy takes priority and all visitors must be fully acquainted with it and follow the school's procedures. Therefore never promising confidentiality. There are a few exceptions for
(ie school doctor / nurse) who follow their Health safeguarding procedures (their thresholds differ in some ways, ie in relation to giving contraceptive advice). A visiting counsellor employed by an LA, the Ed Psychologist would have protocols agreed with the school in advance how confidentiality and safeguarding should be managed and the safeguarding procedures .
Trainers in schools delivering sex ed lessons would always follow the school's procedures in terms of disclosures in sessions. In all cases, the school would discuss with the organisation and agree the procedures (and the materials and text) in advance. Children are advised in advance about the boundaries and how this works in a lesson. Children are not encouraged to make personal disclosures in a classroom for all sorts of obvious reasons - but they're given access to appropriate adults to discuss personal matters should they need.
The reality is that professionals work in partnership around safeguarding.
Sorry for the long post for all those who are fully familiar with all this but but there's some incorrect information being stated on some posts on this thread.

@OhHolyJesus

As you are a bisexual woman ASug what makes you bisexual?

Are you attracted to both sexes (therefore agreeing that there are only two sexes)?

What would you say Pansexual is as a sexual orientation?

I am bisexual however I don't really define myself to being attracted to both sexes. I'm attracted to who I'm attracted to. Sex and gender don't matter to me as much.

I'm not okay with people telling others they aren't the sexuality they are because they don't define their attraction to someone by their sex
Whether you are ok with it or not a trans woman cannot, by definition, be a lesbian. And insistence that they can gets into 'a bit rapey, really' territory quite quickly, imo.

I'm cool with people being same sex attracted. But I'm not okay with people telling others they aren't the sexuality they are because they don't define their attraction to someone by their sex. That's all.

Lesbians are dictated to all the time about this, though? If they don't accept a partner with a penis, they (lesbians) are not really proper lesbians, that it's transphobic to declare themselves same sex attracted, that they're not entitled to their own spaces like forums and dating sites to meet and talk with other exclusively same sex attracted lesbians.

In other words, same sex attracted lesbians constantly have people telling them they aren't the sexuality they are.

Respect is a two way street.

@theThreeofWeevils

I'm not okay with people telling others they aren't the sexuality they are because they don't define their attraction to someone by their sex Whether you are ok with it or not a trans woman cannot, by definition, be a lesbian. And insistence that they can gets into 'a bit rapey, really' territory quite quickly, imo.

Okay well we can agree to disagree.

It's lesbophobic to lesbians who aren't same sex attracted.

As previously linked. UK legislation, Equality Act 2010 defines lesbians as:

"This section defines the protected characteristic of sexual orientation as being a person’s sexual orientation towards:

people of the same sex as him or her (in other words the person is a gay man or a lesbian)"
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/12/notes

No adult teaching or facilitating school/college lessons should be suggesting that lesbians are anything other than female people who are same sex orientated.
To suggest those who correctly recognise the protected characteristic of same sex orientation and definition of lesbian might be "lesophobic" is utterly inappropriate and contrary to statuatory responsibilities.

(Sometimes those who make repeated blatently false accusations are in fact making admissions.)

ASugarr has applied so many meanings to words that are different from those in commonly usage that I don't think it is possibly to take any understanding from what she says.

What we do know is she is a safeguarding risk

@R0wantrees

It's lesbophobic to lesbians who aren't same sex attracted.

As previously linked. UK legislation, Equality Act 2010 defines lesbians as:

"This section defines the protected characteristic of sexual orientation as being a person’s sexual orientation towards:

people of the same sex as him or her (in other words the person is a gay man or a lesbian)"
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/12/notes

No adult teaching or facilitating school/college lessons should be suggesting that lesbians are anything other than female people who are same sex orientated.
To suggest those who correctly recognise the protected characteristic of same sex orientation and definition of lesbian might be "lesophobic" is utterly inappropriate and contrary to statuatory responsibilities.

(Sometimes those who make repeated blatently false accusations are in fact making admissions.)

Okay well we shall agree to disagree on that one.

@Tibtom

ASugarr has applied so many meanings to words that are different from those in commonly usage that I don't think it is possibly to take any understanding from what she says.

What we do know is she is a safeguarding risk

Thank you 🤍

I'm cool with people being same sex attracted. But I'm not okay with people telling others they aren't the sexuality they are because they don't define their attraction to someone by their sex

That's fine. But you can't just take well established dictionary defined words and make them mean something else. Lesbians are same sex attracted. That is the very definition. To say otherwise is lesbophobic and offensive to lesbians. At the very least, that's not cool. At the other end of that, it's hateful and, depending on how far you take that stance, potentially a crime. ☺️

@Erkrie

I'm cool with people being same sex attracted. But I'm not okay with people telling others they aren't the sexuality they are because they don't define their attraction to someone by their sex

That's fine. But you can't just take well established dictionary defined words and make them mean something else. Lesbians are same sex attracted. That is the very definition. To say otherwise is lesbophobic and offensive to lesbians. At the very least, that's not cool. At the other end of that, it's hateful and, depending on how far you take that stance, potentially a crime. ☺️

Yet you did with trans woman earlier. Ironic really.

Sex and gender don't matter to me as much.

ASug - genuine question. Because of this, do you see people who do have a sexual preference - for whom sex does matter - as wrong or immoral or bad in some way? Or do you genuinely believe they are completely allowed to have a specific sex (not gender) as a criterion for who they consider for dating?

Okay well we shall agree to disagree on that one.

Cool, I prefer to interpret 'disagree' as 'agree', so I'm glad to see ASug has come around to our way of thinking!