LGB Alliance is now a registered charity

[OhHolyJesus]

It took over a year...

"LGBA applied to register as a charity in March 2020. Its purposes are to promote equality and diversity and human rights.
The test of charity status is set out in law. A charity is an organisation with exclusively charitable purposes for the public benefit, that is subject to the jurisdiction of the High Court of England and Wales. If it meets these legal tests, it will be entered on the charity register.
It is not the Commission’s role to make value judgements about the aims or ideas put forward by any organisation. Instead, its role is to decide whether an organisation’s purposes fall within the legal definition of charity.
The Commission received a number of objections to the registration of LGBA as a charity. It carefully considered these as part of making its decision. In handling this application, the Commission has had regard to the Public Sector Equality Duty.
Registered charities fall under the Commission’s regulation, and their trustees must continuously meet the legal duties and responsibilities set down under charity law. A charity can promote the rights of one or more specific groups, but may not do so whilst demeaning or denigrating the rights of others, including on social media – and the Commission will consider taking regulatory action where that occurs.
The full decision, explaining the grounds for registering the organisation and the objections that were considered, can be found on GOV.UKK_"

www.gov.uk/government/news/charity-commission-confirms-registration-of-lgb-alliance

@ASugarr

"We are aware that topics involving gender and biological sex can be complex and sensitive matters to navigate. You should not reinforce harmful stereotypes, for instance by suggesting that children might be a different gender based on their personality and interests or the clothes they prefer to wear. Resources used in teaching about this topic must always be age-appropriate and evidence based. Materials which suggest that non-conformity to gender stereotypes should be seen as synonymous with having a different gender identity should not be used and you should not work with external agencies or organisations that produce such material. While teachers should not suggest to a child that their non-compliance with gender stereotypes means that either their personality or their body is wrong and in need of changing, teachers should always seek to treat individual students with sympathy and support."

This is from the Plan your relationships, sex and health curriculum guidance.

Yes, we've discussed this wording quite a lot on FWR. Is it the first time you've seen it?

Posters on here know what the Law says, they know what the DofE instructs, they know the rules and strictures around safeguarding, the issue ASugarr is, do you? Your posts on here quite clearly show that you do not and your wild attempts to deflect aren't working.

[quote ASugarr]They mention here that they are against it. In the GROUPS PROVIDING RESOURCES TO SCHOOLS section: lgballiance.org.uk/schools-campaign/[/quote]
Against what?
Please, you need to be specific.
Quote wording, in context, with link, and say what is incorrect about it, in one post.

@RedDogsBeg

Posters on here know what the Law says, they know what the DofE instructs, they know the rules and strictures around safeguarding, the issue ASugarr is, do you? Your posts on here quite clearly show that you do not and your wild attempts to deflect aren't working.

I do. I'm not quite sure everyone here does. Plus I don't think they fully know about the LGBA either.

Oh! Another misrepresentation.

You could change my mind if you gave a precise quote... but so far all you have done is shown that they want what is taught NOT to include misrepresenatations of science or suggestions that a discomfort around puberty indicates trans status.

And a ruddy great long list of organisations that have worked long and hard to get trans ideology presented to kids in the same way as biological science is!

@ASugarr

https://twitter.com/GcHomophobia/status/1330813550156189696?s=19 Here's a bunch of information on their previous statements. Let's also not forget they are anti-abortion, pro-conversion therapy, Biphobic, the people involved are all connected to anti-LGB religious groups and so much more.

I remain shocked that this post with such serious demonstrably false accusations and smears against all the people involved in Lesbian led charity LGB Alliance remains on the board.

Bev Jackson (co-founder) in this interview by Helen Joyce explains that the charity is pro abortion rights for women.

"Myth: LGB Alliance is funded by the Christian far right
Truth: We are funded by individual donations. As a registered charity we are required to declare certain sources of income and our accounts will be publicly available. We have only existed for just over a year and so we will publish our first-year accounts as soon as they have been compiled by our accountant."
lgballiance.org.uk/myths/

I am advised by MNHQ to "challenge the allegations made on the thread.
Also, we have a process for libellous content - we'll wait for the charity to get in touch and take it from there."

So show us...

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Oh! Another misrepresentation.

You could change my mind if you gave a precise quote... but so far all you have done is shown that they want what is taught NOT to include misrepresenatations of science or suggestions that a discomfort around puberty indicates trans status.

And a ruddy great long list of organisations that have worked long and hard to get trans ideology presented to kids in the same way as biological science is!

Nothing I teach or that I've seen of others teach goes against biology.

@R0wantrees

They mention here that they are against it. In the GROUPS PROVIDING RESOURCES TO SCHOOLS

They need to be accurate resources that are age appropriate and fit for purpose. This is the problem. Just any old resources aren't good enough. ☺️

Sugar, this is a fast-moving thread, and a lot of people speaking.

Please be reassured that I don't need a reply to this. But I would like you to think about it.

If you can't explain what is, and what isn't, confidential in your course to a group of adult women (some of whom have graduate and post-graduate qualifications and years of teaching experience!), how can you trust you are more effective at explaining what is confidential and what is not, toteenagers?

Depending on the age range we are talking about, they may not have even taken GCSEs yet, never mind level 3 qualifications.

Nothing I teach or that I've seen of others teach goes against biology. Really? No Genderbread Person? None of the Stonewall etc Toolkits. Nothing from any of the organisations on the LGBA list?

Interesting. What RSE resources do you use then?

Oh, sorry. You can't tell us, you'd have to shoot us!

Sue me.

Maybe they will ☺️

[quote ASugarr]They mention here that they are against it. In the GROUPS PROVIDING RESOURCES TO SCHOOLS section: lgballiance.org.uk/schools-campaign/[/quote]
I suggest you quote EXACTLY where LGB Alliance says that

"They don't like that transgender people could even be mentioned or discussed."

And read it for yourself, not some influencer's take (no matter how famously 'informed' they are).

@PotholeHellhole

Sugar, this is a fast-moving thread, and a lot of people speaking.

Please be reassured that I don't need a reply to this. But I would like you to think about it.

If you can't explain what is, and what isn't, confidential in your course to a group of adult women (some of whom have graduate and post-graduate qualifications and years of teaching experience!), how can you trust you are more effective at explaining what is confidential and what is not, toteenagers?

Depending on the age range we are talking about, they may not have even taken GCSEs yet, never mind level 3 qualifications.

I understand. Thank you for being respectful though. I think what is important is young peoples rights as well. Especially around sexual health and safeguarding concerns.

The LGBA has said they disagree with this. They don't like that transgender people could even be mentioned or discussed.

ASugar You have made repeated false accusations and unsubstanstiated smears against the lesbian-led charity LGB Alliance.

"Myth: LGB Alliance is a hate group.
Truth: We hate waiting in for a late delivery. We hate it when the WiFi drops for no reason. We hate trailers that give away the whole movie. But we don’t hate people. We don’t practice or advocate hatred, hostility of violence towards any one or any group. If we disagree with someone, it doesn’t mean we hate them or wish them any harm.

It is perfectly possible to disagree with a person’s view or opinion without hating them or the group they are part of. Where disagreement exists it’s important to be able to have open and honest discussions; especially when it comes to human rights. So, we’re always happy to talk. In fact, that’s something we love.

We are a charity registered with the Charity Commission of England and Wales (number 1194148) and would not be able to be registered if we were a hate group. You can read the Charity Commission’s evidence-based decision to register us here: www.gov.uk/government/publications/lgb-alliance/lgb-alliance-full-decision

Myth: LGB Alliance is transphobic and is seeking to erase trans people
Truth: We fully support trans people in their struggle, for dignity, respect and a life lived free from bigotry and fear. We don’t hate trans people and we don’t wish to see them erased. The issues and priorities for people who are attracted to the same sex (homosexual/bisexual) are different from those of transgender people, and so, with a number of organisations focused on trans people and trans issues, our focus is on lesbians, gay men, and bisexual people and their issues.

To read more about what we believe and how we work, go to: lgballiance.org.uk/about

Myth: LGB people who don’t include trans people in their dating pool are transphobic.
Truth: Most of us would agree that finding love or a partner is one of the best things in life. The choices we make about which individuals we open to dating are, by definition, exclusionary. Just because a woman is a lesbian it doesn’t mean she is open to dating ALL lesbians. Just because a man is bisexual it doesn’t mean he is open to dating anyone and everyone.

We all have preference or ‘a type’ but it is important not to conflate these preferences with sexual orientation. Lesbians are females attracted to other females. Gay men are males attracted to other males. Homosexuality is not a “genital preference”. It isn’t transphobic to be clear about which sex you are attracted to. No one is under any obligation to date someone they are not interested in, or to have to explain why. "
lgballiance.org.uk/myths/

I am advised by MNHQ to "challenge the allegations made on the thread.
Also, we have a process for libellous content - we'll wait for the charity to get in touch and take it from there."

Here’s what lgb alliance say about conversion therapy

Why not just ask for a law to ban conversion therapy?
While simply banning conversion therapy sounds like a good idea, creating new legislation – especially with imprecise language – will not #EndConversionTherapy. There are existing laws against most of what we would traditionally understand to be conversion therapy and these need to be implemented. We don’t oppose the idea of banning conversion therapy, but we don’t just want to ban it; we want to #EndConversionTherapy.

Imagine if I wrote "Stonewall are a homophobic hate group. They actively work against LGB equality."

I wonder if the opinion I've represented here would be allowed to stand or not? I know for a fact they tried to get a lesbian woman of colour sacked.

I understand. Thank you for being respectful though. I think what is important is young peoples rights as well. Especially around sexual health and safeguarding concerns.

That is the point.

If one single child leaves a session with you feeling that they are not allowed to talk to anyone about the material you have covered, you have massively failed that child.

If you can't make it clear to us, how can you be sure that you always make it clear to children on your courses?

@PotholeHellhole

I understand. Thank you for being respectful though. I think what is important is young peoples rights as well. Especially around sexual health and safeguarding concerns.

That is the point.

If one single child leaves a session with you feeling that they are not allowed to talk to anyone about the material you have covered, you have massively failed that child.

If you can't make it clear to us, how can you be sure that you always make it clear to children on your courses?

Understood. They can talk about the material. But we do tell them not to share any personal comments or anything from other pupils in the class as a way to help them feel safe. They can discuss everything else in and out of the sessions.

How strange that the Charity Commission spent a year looking into all of this and failed to find any evidence of homophobia, transphobia, hate etc coming from LGBA...very strange indeed.

This is like the Tavistock case all over again where people found out the hard and humiliating way that ''because someone on Twitter said so'' doesn't count as evidence, isn't it?