Genital Inspections

[ASugarr]

The Florida House passed a bill on April 14, 2021, that would ban trans girls and women from playing on high school and collegiate teams. It would also allow schools to require a genital inspection of student athletes suspected of being trans.
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This is child sexual abuse. I hope this never ends up happening in the UK. Trans girls and women deserve to play in women's sports. Trans boys and men deserve to play in men's sports. Period.

@WoolOfBat

OP I think you really don’t need to worry about any forced genital inspections due to children “not having the documentation on them”.

For competitive grassroots football already at age 8/9 in the UK, the players need to be registered as a member of their team in order to be allowed to play. A photograph of their passport is required in order to prove age (as far as I know). In addition, a recent head photo is required. As the passport also has the sex, this means that sex also is provided. This certification will then last for the entire season.

I have never been asked for additional ID in a match. I would assume that if disputed (someone thought my son wasn’t allowed to play), a photograph of his face would be taken and compared to the head photo and passport photo on the file.

As you can see, there is no constant documentation needed and certainly no inspection for age. I assume that it could work in a similar way for sex. You don’t need to worry at all!

Correct. All documentation checks (identity, age, sex etc, medical history, emergency contacts etc) would be done before any sporting event. My guess is this is an insurance requirement.

OP, you really don’t need to worry that children are going to have to drop their trousers at the side of a pitch!

[quote goldielockdown2 ]You know, OP that child sexual abuse is an emotive subject and hoped to use that as a 'hook' to gain the outrage of others for your own ends. An utterly shitty, manipulative thing to do. [/quote]
As a child abuse survivor myself I am well aware of it being an emotive subject. But that's why its so important to talk about and prevent.

Well quite, LeafStamp.

It’s bizarre to me that these objectors are quite so fanatical with arguing this particular point. It’s exactly the same point they make when women want to exclude males from anything. It seems almost obsessive.

Some of us also want to prevent girls and women being physically harmed by competing against people who have the strength benefits of male puberty.

Earlier you said some sports should be sex segregated. So do you think a trans woman who has gone through male puberty should play in women's rugby leagues?

Okay so to be clear, if this were to happen in the UK you would be okay with your child (transgender or not) to have a genital examination if you didn't bring their birth certificate to every sports game? You'd be okay for someone to do that to your child?

There'd be no need. Being as children in the UK can't get a GRC, their birth certificate would be enough proof of their sex. It doesn't need to be taken to every game, their sex isn't going to change between games.

If the parent can't produce the birth certificate for whatever reason, then cheek swabs are an option, blood tests, etc.

It abusive towards female children to remove from them their right to safety, privacy and dignity and opportunities to participate and progress in sport.

@youvegottenminuteslynn

Some of us also want to prevent girls and women being physically harmed by competing against people who have the strength benefits of male puberty.

Earlier you said some sports should be sex segregated. So do you think a trans woman who has gone through male puberty should play in women's rugby leagues?

That's besides the argument when we are talking about children. My views on transgender people in sports is besides the point as no one can have medical support other than puberty blockers before 16 in this country.

no one can have medical support other than puberty blockers before 16 in this country.

and no-one under 18 in the UK can have a GRC, therefore their Birth Certificate will have their sex at birth on it so no confusion as to which sex segregated sports they are eligible for.

You are unable to answer direct questions coherently, consistently or thoughtfully. I tried and was patient.

You don't get to set and then constantly shift parameters of a discussion. Or as you tellingly call it an 'argument'. You said the thread was specifically about one issue, an issue based on an incorrect reading of a bill.

You don't want to do right, you want to be right and you aren't willing to put the work in to learn about such an important topic.

For example, as I have asked previously - did you read the bill yourself? It's a yes / no question...

That's besides the argument when we are talking about children.
No, it's not. Again, you have already been told (and normally people know this without being told) that physiological differences in performance are apparent way before 16. Even a 16 year old male rugby player shouldn't be playing with females.

Also....you STILL haven't answered the question that I asked you hours ago. Which are the sports that you think should be sex- segregated. You said some should be. You said you hadn't changed your mind. You don't seem to be able to answer the question though, do you?

This is a very level headed bill and ensures the law is enforced, females are safe and don’t have to unfairly compete against stronger faster males.

A very very small number of children trying to break the law will end up needing to provide proof through birth certificate, medical professional or genetic testing.

I'm not really sure what the purpose of keeping labouring the point is. Children have generally started puberty before they have puberty blockers (unless of course they've been sourcing them from a particular gp in Spain, which is a child protection issue and a loophole that needs closing).

Women's and girls sport needs to stay sex segregated. That's it. No exceptions.

You sound very confused OP. If you just go back and reread your contributions to this thread, you'll see the contradictions and the illogical leaps in your argument.

@ASugarr

I don't get what you are arguing for here. You have time and time again been proven wrong yet still you push the same disproven narrative.

If you think you are being a trans ally you aren't. Its "support" like that that makes my life as a transsexual much much harder. I mean no offence but you simply don't know anywhere near as much as you think you do. Please accept you were wrong and start listening.

[quote BlueLipstickRocks]@ASugarr

I don't get what you are arguing for here. You have time and time again been proven wrong yet still you push the same disproven narrative.

If you think you are being a trans ally you aren't. Its "support" like that that makes my life as a transsexual much much harder. I mean no offence but you simply don't know anywhere near as much as you think you do. Please accept you were wrong and start listening.[/quote]
Here's the direct quote from the Bill itself which shows what I am discussing which I find to be wrong.

www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2021/1475/?Tab=Amendments

Yes and it says 1 or more. A genital examination is 1 of 3 options. Why are you not understanding this?

Ok then, @ASugarr how do you propose that a dispute over a child’s sex should be resolved?

The OP, lying on Twitter. It's honestly like you can't read.

No-one is saying children have to have their genitals inspected. Not the Bill, not the women on here.

You are incapable of understanding anything you don't agree with. You are obsessed with painting us all as transphobic. You are ridiculous.

I can't see anything in that picture that backs up OP's claim of "this bill clearly states it will do immediate examinations to check a child's sex".

@mnhq is this really ok that the op takes her posts that she's started here back to Twitter to invite a pile on?

That document says that providing evidence of genetic makeup or testosterone levels are acceptable alternatives to undergoing a medical examination.

Noone is forcing anyone to do anything.

All this bullshit just so OP and others can say 'MN pretends to care about kids but they're so transphobic they let child abuse go by'.

Dishonest and pathetic.

@adviceseekingnamechanger

The OP, lying on Twitter. It's honestly like you can't read.

No-one is saying children have to have their genitals inspected. Not the Bill, not the women on here.

You are incapable of understanding anything you don't agree with. You are obsessed with painting us all as transphobic. You are ridiculous.

I did ask the question earlier if people felt it was acceptable and many said yes. If that's paints a picture of transphobia then that's not my problem. That is what people have said.

@ASugarr

Okay so to be clear, if this were to happen in the UK you would be okay with your child (transgender or not) to have a genital examination if you didn't bring their birth certificate to every sports game? You'd be okay for someone to do that to your child?

Most of us here are familiar with admin procedures and consent forms regarding their children. Not once have I had to produce a birth certificate for every occasion I used a service or facility, sports included, even when details from the birth certificate were required (eg age).

Can you specify which situations would require regularly and frequently bringing documentation rather than just keeping accurate records? Do you or your family experience this with your sports op?

@adviceseekingnamechanger

The OP, lying on Twitter. It's honestly like you can't read.

No-one is saying children have to have their genitals inspected. Not the Bill, not the women on here.

You are incapable of understanding anything you don't agree with. You are obsessed with painting us all as transphobic. You are ridiculous.

Quelle surprise

Thanks for the screenshot. I'm going to let MNHQ know.