Genital Inspections

[ASugarr]

The Florida House passed a bill on April 14, 2021, that would ban trans girls and women from playing on high school and collegiate teams. It would also allow schools to require a genital inspection of student athletes suspected of being trans.
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This is child sexual abuse. I hope this never ends up happening in the UK. Trans girls and women deserve to play in women's sports. Trans boys and men deserve to play in men's sports. Period.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

What is sexist?

She explained in the part you quoted, OP.

Where?

Are you able to explain what benefits women and girls gain from competing against males?

What is sexist?
Answer this. Do you accept that due to biological differences, women overall are weaker and slower than men?
Yes - in that case letting males compete with females is fundamentally unfair. You recognize females are penalized but want them to sacrifice their sporting careers to tw. Sexist.
No - statistics show that females perform less well than males. If you don't accept that this is due to biological differences you are saying that they just don't try enough. Sexist.
Either argument is sexist OP. You seem to be arguing both sides so sexist and confused. Well done.

Someon e is hot on the delete button {hmm] I guess telling thr truth is not allowed

Not RTFT, and just for clarity, I'm an American.

The Florida house passing the bill does not make it law. It still has to pass the state senate and be signed into law by the governor. It's not usual for state legislators to pass bills that will score points with constituents, knowing full well that they will never actually be enacted or that they will be struck down by the courts.

@lonel

What is sexist? Answer this. Do you accept that due to biological differences, women overall are weaker and slower than men? Yes - in that case letting males compete with females is fundamentally unfair. You recognize females are penalized but want them to sacrifice their sporting careers to tw. Sexist. No - statistics show that females perform less well than males. If you don't accept that this is due to biological differences you are saying that they just don't try enough. Sexist. Either argument is sexist OP. You seem to be arguing both sides so sexist and confused. Well done.

Not all men no. Some women are stronger. It depends on the testosterone and estrogen levels. The majority. Sure. But not all. You can think its sexist if you must, however I consider it sexist to tell some women and men that they can't participate in a sport just because they are transgender, intersex, etc.

So let me see if I have the GC position correctly:

Even having a trans girl in the next cubicle in the changing rooms or toilet is such an affront to the dignity of all the other girls that she should be banned from the room altogether.

However, making girls have medical examinations, including having to show their genitals to a stranger just so they can play with the other girls is just fine.

I mean anything's OK as long as it enables you to exclude trans people, right?

And make no mistake - this is going to target gender non-conforming girls mostly, who are probably already being bullied for not being girlie enough. Now they actually have to prove they are "real girls" just to satisfy the far right and their close allies, the GCs.

At the moment, the issue of letting trans boys and men compete in the same category as women is mainly a problem in the United States.

In athletics, its actually a huge problem for American athletics, as it means that trans athletes ineligible for the Olympics under the governing body, the IAAF rules, may win Olympic qualifying slots but be unable to go. It will likely undermine the quality of American athletics in a relatively short time.

I'm a bit shocked at how little knowledge the OP has of sport and its governing body rules and Olympics eligibility.

In terms of physical differences, in athletics and running, its desirable to have a narrow pelvis and hips to run fast. This typically hinders women and cannot be changed by drugs as its related to bone structure, along with typically male wide shoulders, greater heart room and muscularity which is allied to bone structure.

Just popping back to this thread to see if ASugar has conceded any of the many intelligent points raised (good work all). I see she has not. I am also interested to know where this hatred of women comes from ASugar, since you did invite me to look at your Twitter profile that talks about your life, I am fascinated.

I also agree with a PP, there is a PhD right here into how a whole generation of people were gaslit into the TRA movement by people with shady motivations - almost exclusively rich, middle aged white guys that decided they were women in their fifties and sixties once they'd used their male privilege to amass wealth and power (that billionaire pharma person in the US for a start). Young people who were unchallenged for years with adult women prepared to be kind and indulge them - until it all got out of hand and women went er, hang on, er no, you will not be giving our children damaging drugs and telling them they can change sex when they can't and we will no longer accept you pushing women out of their own sports. And here we have the outcome. People who have been indulged in ridiculous fantasies, utterly unable to cope with people having different ideas or opinions and their only response being shutdown, cancel, moderate, #nodebate, block, discredit, abuse. It's sad. Where is the emotional resilience that everyone should have to accept that some people do not agree with them?

Late to the 'discussion' and I see it only took a few posts in to ascertain OP is misrepresenting the bill/requirements to paint a deliberately disturbing and dishonest picture. Probably for benefit of a twitter audience. Again.

@ASugarr

If you take a look at the resources I gave earlier that isn't always true.

And yet, if you consult the resources given elsewhere, including the wording of the bill that is at the heart of the OP, you will see that your apprehensions are misplaced.

I would hope that your mind and heart have been eased by the evidence-based material in this thread.

@Shizuku

So let me see if I have the GC position correctly:

Even having a trans girl in the next cubicle in the changing rooms or toilet is such an affront to the dignity of all the other girls that she should be banned from the room altogether.

However, making girls have medical examinations, including having to show their genitals to a stranger just so they can play with the other girls is just fine.

I mean anything's OK as long as it enables you to exclude trans people, right?

And make no mistake - this is going to target gender non-conforming girls mostly, who are probably already being bullied for not being girlie enough. Now they actually have to prove they are "real girls" just to satisfy the far right and their close allies, the GCs.

Lol. You realise we are those gender non conforming girls all grown up right? 🤣

It does seem weird to me that some women are hell bent on including transwomen and transgirls in woman's sport, despite the overwhelming evidence that it is clearly unfair and dangerous. I wonder why these women do this. Is it that they have no interest in sport themselves? Is it because they don't really understand the differences and dangers? Is it because they have suffered some sort of abuse / trauma themselves which now leads them to believe that woman ) girls don't matter (including themselves) and thus they should always budge over and be kind? I would be intrigued to know what it is that makes some women behave like this.

@Shizuku

So let me see if I have the GC position correctly:

Even having a trans girl in the next cubicle in the changing rooms or toilet is such an affront to the dignity of all the other girls that she should be banned from the room altogether.

However, making girls have medical examinations, including having to show their genitals to a stranger just so they can play with the other girls is just fine.

I mean anything's OK as long as it enables you to exclude trans people, right?

And make no mistake - this is going to target gender non-conforming girls mostly, who are probably already being bullied for not being girlie enough. Now they actually have to prove they are "real girls" just to satisfy the far right and their close allies, the GCs.

Thank you @Shizuku! I totally agree. I'm shocked not more women are concerned about this. Especially as we are all aware that the medical professionals assosiated with sports (like gymnastics) in the past have abused their power through laws and bills like this.

So let me see if I have the GC position correctly:

Even having a trans girl in the next cubicle in the changing rooms or toilet is such an affront to the dignity of all the other girls that she should be banned from the room altogether. However, making girls have medical examinations, including having to show their genitals to a stranger just so they can play with the other girls is just fine.

You haven't got the GC position correctly. Or at all.

Lol. You realise we are those gender non conforming girls all grown up right?

Indeed. I identified as a boy when I was younger for quite some years. It doesn't mean I lost my common sense and reason with this.

Not all men no. Some women are stronger. It depends on the testosterone and estrogen levels. The majority. Sure. But not all. You can think its sexist if you must, however I consider it sexist to tell some women and men that they can't participate in a sport just because they are transgender, intersex, etc.

How can you have such limited knowledge about this but write about it so much on here? Why don't you educated yourself a bit more?

Women have a wider pelvis because their pelvis has to accommodate a uterus, ovaries, etc. Female hormones achieve this in various ways completed in puberty. Drugs cannot alter bone structure and strength. A wider pelvis is disadvantageous to sport because it slows movement and creates drag; it also creates a wider Q angle which is disadvantageous to sport.

Even female racehorses are given a weight allowance to accommodate these physical disadvantages.

There are many other physical differences between men and women but I doubt that you have the ability to understand me trying to explain them to you, so I would suggest you do a bit more reading and try and improve your knowledge.

You can think its sexist if you must, however I consider it sexist to tell some women and men that they can't participate in a sport just because they are transgender

No one is saying they can't participate in sport. They can take part with their own sex class. If they don't want to, that's entirely up to them.

@ASugarr
Actually I strongly disagree. Many sports are mixed sex and women still trive and win.

Perhaps you could list the sports which women could still win if mixed sex.
I'll help you with a couple-

Equestrianism
Darts/Snooker? - though not seen much evidence of that yet.

And then I'll give you a list of the sports where it makes a difference.

@Theunamedcat

Surely the original birth certificate is evidence? As its based on observation of genitals?

You would think so.

As long as you don't fuck up the system of birth registration.

Girls can beat boys at sports. They've done so many times.
How come there are no women in the fastest 6,000+ at 100m then?

i'm 5 foot 4 and I would not personally play rugby with a massive beefy man, he'd break every bone in my body.
Quite simply we are not as strong or fast as men physically because we were not designed to be and I think its very unfair that we should have to risk both injury and a win because a penis is playing against a woman.
Anyway the Gods got that one wrong, if we had been designed to be the tall strong ones and men the weaker sex it would lead to a whole better world for us all.

@CirclesWithinCircles

At the moment, the issue of letting trans boys and men compete in the same category as women is mainly a problem in the United States.

In athletics, its actually a huge problem for American athletics, as it means that trans athletes ineligible for the Olympics under the governing body, the IAAF rules, may win Olympic qualifying slots but be unable to go. It will likely undermine the quality of American athletics in a relatively short time.

I'm a bit shocked at how little knowledge the OP has of sport and its governing body rules and Olympics eligibility.

In terms of physical differences, in athletics and running, its desirable to have a narrow pelvis and hips to run fast. This typically hinders women and cannot be changed by drugs as its related to bone structure, along with typically male wide shoulders, greater heart room and muscularity which is allied to bone structure.

"In terms of physical differences, in athletics and running, its desirable to have a narrow pelvis and hips to run fast. This typically hinders women and cannot be changed by drugs as its related to bone structure, along with typically male wide shoulders, greater heart room and muscularity which is allied to bone structure."

You mean built like Jessica Zelinka:

^Firstly, not all trans women are stronger than cis females. Especially if they are on puberty blockers they wouldn't be. So that is a myth.^

You are 'mythtaken'. Also I would expect a professional to know the difference between a voluntary medical exam and child abuse.