I just came out as GC at work, to the big boss and I feel a bit sick

[JustcameoutGC]

I have NCed for this. I have just outed myself as GC in work to the big boss (and some others cced in).

I was asked to sign off on something that I just couldn't and I said so, and explained why.

I literally feel sick. Like I have put a big fat GC target on my back. My org is totally woke. I wonder how many times my response has been forwarded already.

Oh dear, I really do need to go out and do some gardening or something, get off MN and clear the 'rap' thoughts.

Cervix Haver
That ain't no recognition
Of my sex, for that
I want clear definition

I'm sick and tired of fighting
For use of clear language
Ain't it time for change
I can't carry this baggage

Cis, Cis, Kiss My Ass
Woman needs no prefix
Not fair to wipe us out
For the inclusion of mimics

Trying to erode me
Think you're being PC
Stop the degeneration
Of half of the nation

@WallaceinAnderland

If the word 'outing' only applies to gay people, why can't the word 'women' only apply to women?

I didn't really have as much problem with 'outed'. It was coming out I had the issue with. it's a very specific term that refers to a really difficult struggle.

You cannot spend time posting about reclaiming things and people taking things away from others and then try and compare the discomfort or conflict with beliefs of using pronouns with someone coming out .

Your point is all very clever, but here's the thing

Just because you disagree with one part of the issue, in this case I disagree with people trying to compare the struggles of not being able or willing to use pronouns based on their personal beliefs to that of trans people being terrified of being outed (PP can call me prejudiced if they like, but have so far been able to prove how so). It doesn't mean I disagree with the whole issue.

I can think of many topics where people might disagree with something in one case but not in another, but it appears when it comes to feminism and trans you have to have a black and white approach.

I can think of many topics where people might disagree with something in one case but not in another, but it appears when it comes to feminism and trans you have to have a black and white approach.

When it comes to feminism and men I do have a black and white approach; feminism is for women and men cannot be women. Simple.

when it comes to feminism and trans you have to have a black and white approach

I agree, it is very black and white. Male and female are polarised. Trying to merge the two doesn't work. As you can see, trying to re-structure language to fit around this also doesn't work. Tying to 'thought' educate people doesn't work. We all know what male and female means. No amount of words is going to change that. Humans can't change sex.

People are scared to say this in the current climate. They are masking their thoughts and opinions. The fears women have on declaring the reality of their sex is real. The damage is real.

If outing yourself is only for gay people then the word woman is only for women. You can't have it both ways.

@TheFleegleHasLanded

I can think of many topics where people might disagree with something in one case but not in another, but it appears when it comes to feminism and trans you have to have a black and white approach.

When it comes to feminism and men I do have a black and white approach; feminism is for women and men cannot be women. Simple.

Right... What's that got to do with pronouns ?

We aren’t discussing pronouns. Do keep up. Did you even read the OP?

@TheFleegleHasLanded

We aren’t discussing pronouns. Do keep up. Did you even read the OP?

In on two similar threads and made a mistake.

Are you that rude IRL?

Are you that rude IRL?

Yes, I speak plainly in real life too. Or were you expecting a 'sorry but' at the beginning to show I am properly socially conditioned?

Oh no, I'm womaning wrong again.......
If you think that's rude how on earth are you on Mumsnet?

Butwas
You have consistently and persistently tried to derail this thread
and regularly made the excuse of posting on more than one thread

As you are clearly pretty poor at multitasking I have to assume you are a bloke
and you have already said that you have no children

If you do not think that medical advice should be clear, that is fine.
The rest of us do.

(PP can call me prejudiced if they like, but have so far been able to prove how so)

You are prejudiced against people who think differently to you. You have said it repeatedly, that you want them to suffer a detriment if they don't think the way you want them to think.

an unfair and unreasonable opinion or feeling, especially when formed without enough thought or knowledge

Its not reasonable to want people to be dismissed or even disciplined for choosing not to put pronouns in emails. Your views are formed based on your own opinions and feelings about non participation and your default position without any knowledge is that they will also act in a certain way on something else.

You turn this into a moral certainty that your opinions on pronouns are the only right ones. Again this is an unfair and unreasonable opinion.

@ListeningQuietly

Butwas You have consistently and persistently tried to derail this thread and regularly made the excuse of posting on more than one thread

As you are clearly pretty poor at multitasking I have to assume you are a bloke
and you have already said that you have no children

If you do not think that medical advice should be clear, that is fine.
The rest of us do.

It's not an excuse it's two similar threads.

I don't have children no. Is that a problem? Are only people with children allowed opinions now? I'm sure you're also not trying to imply I must be a bloke because I don't have kids, that would be pretty disgusting.

I've derailed nothing.

What does medical advice have to do with the OP? Or my gender or child status ? Nothing. So what are you doing? If not derailing?

Ironic username from yourself.

Derailing in MN world is going against the echo chamber.

@Scepticaltank

(PP can call me prejudiced if they like, but have so far been able to prove how so)

You are prejudiced against people who think differently to you. You have said it repeatedly, that you want them to suffer a detriment if they don't think the way you want them to think.

an unfair and unreasonable opinion or feeling, especially when formed without enough thought or knowledge

Its not reasonable to want people to be dismissed or even disciplined for choosing not to put pronouns in emails. Your views are formed based on your own opinions and feelings about non participation and your default position without any knowledge is that they will also act in a certain way on something else.

You turn this into a moral certainty that your opinions on pronouns are the only right ones. Again this is an unfair and unreasonable opinion.

Could you quote me where I said people who think differently to me should suffer a detriment please?

Or where I said they should be dismissed?

@TheFleegleHasLanded

Are you that rude IRL?

Yes, I speak plainly in real life too. Or were you expecting a 'sorry but' at the beginning to show I am properly socially conditioned?

Oh no, I'm womaning wrong again.......
If you think that's rude how on earth are you on Mumsnet?

Well, because I don't surround myself with people who speak like that irl. do keep up?

Id think them an out and our snob.

Oh Butwas! You are hilarious

Women who speak plainly and are prepared to defend the rights of women and children are snobs. Righty ho.

@TheFleegleHasLanded

Oh Butwas! You are hilarious

Women who speak plainly and are prepared to defend the rights of women and children are snobs. Righty ho.

No .people (not women) who use the expression 'do keep up ' are snobs.

What about the rights of children who have changed their pronouns?

Or do you only care about women who object 😴

Well, I will again point out you are on the wrong the wrong thread, but since you ask I could not give a flying fuck about people who change their pronouns. Narcissistic nonsense.

HTH

I really wish that there wouldn't be this thing of telling people they must be men because they don't say the right things. It's not helpful.

@Butwasitherdriveway You're amazing but this is an echo chamber 😑

[quote Skyliner001]@Butwasitherdriveway You're amazing but this is an echo chamber 😑 [/quote]
All of these boards are.
Anything other is derailing.

@TheFleegleHasLanded

Well, I will again point out you are on the wrong the wrong thread, but since you ask I could not give a flying fuck about people who change their pronouns. Narcissistic nonsense.

HTH

No I'm not 'on the wrong the wrong thread'.

I'm asking you how you can claim you defend rights when you have the views you do.

Calling it narcissist nonsense is a transphobic statement. HTH.

But thanks for clarifying you defend the rights of women and children unless of course they are trans, in which case you don't give a fuck.

Derailing in MN world is going against the echo chamber.

Derailing in this particular use is the risk that if the thread descends into a tit for tat between a few posters picking at each others’ language, or, as long-running threads often do, brings in wider, often tread topics that result in hot-take replies. Both will increase the risk that the thread inadvertently breaks a MN guardrail and the whole thing goes.

I think this thread added a lot of value and it would be a loss if it went.

This caution is not aimed at any one person, because one person cannot derail a thread alone. And it’s not an insinuation that anyone is posting in of bad faith; derailing often happens for genuine reasons when passionate people getting stuck in to talking about something they care about.

But please, no matter how much something needs to be replied to, consider in this case whether it would be better served with its own thread.

Agreed, Blibbyblobby, the poster who keeps confusing/forgetting which thread they are commenting on is causing this thread to veer off at a tangent and it's better to ignore and scroll past those posts. The OP has stated they do not want this thread to go the way of others and be deleted, as irritating as it it to let the wrong thread posts pass without response and correction, let's not give an excuse for deletion to happen.

@RedDogsBeg

Agreed, Blibbyblobby, the poster who keeps confusing/forgetting which thread they are commenting on is causing this thread to veer off at a tangent and it's better to ignore and scroll past those posts. The OP has stated they do not want this thread to go the way of others and be deleted, as irritating as it it to let the wrong thread posts pass without response and correction, let's not give an excuse for deletion to happen.

Speak directly to me then, instead of being rude.

I have mixed up the threads on a couple of occasions but you are being absolutely ridiculous pretending this will get s thread deleted.

MN are very clear that they do not like deleting whole threads.

Please stop attempting to bully others into ignoring me because I made a mistake. That kind of behaviour is worse than anything else.

I have answered But on here because the mix up was clear, but it was expedient. I'm not going to continue. I am not being bullied into this, its my own free choice.