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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I just came out as GC at work, to the big boss and I feel a bit sick

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JustcameoutGC · 15/04/2021 12:34

I have NCed for this. I have just outed myself as GC in work to the big boss (and some others cced in).

I was asked to sign off on something that I just couldn't and I said so, and explained why.

I literally feel sick. Like I have put a big fat GC target on my back. My org is totally woke. I wonder how many times my response has been forwarded already.

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JustcameoutGC · 15/04/2021 12:58

Gladly accepted @transbadger.

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Lollypop701 · 15/04/2021 12:59

Well done op

Shizuku · 15/04/2021 13:00

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Sophoclesthefox · 15/04/2021 13:04

Well done justcame, sending fistbumps of solidarity to you for standing up for your beliefs, here’s a virtual brew Brew

Wineat5isfine · 15/04/2021 13:07

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nocoolnamesleft · 15/04/2021 13:07

Gender critical - recognising that a woman is an adult human female, that women and girls are discriminated against because of their biology, and that gender is primarily a tool of the patriarchy used to oppress women.

FightingTheFoo · 15/04/2021 13:12

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OhHolyJesus · 15/04/2021 13:12

Gender critical = critical of 'gender' stereotypes and how they are applied or expected, based on sex.

Clearly from personal definitions already noted it can be interpreted in different ways.

It's also worth noting, much to what is often claimed, that there is no 'hive mjnd' here, or in the so-called 'GC movement'.

Sophoclesthefox · 15/04/2021 13:12

wineat5, “Gender critical” is used by some feminists to underline our opposition to the increased push in public life to replace the concept of “sex” with that of “gender”. To give you an example, many people feel it’s important to maintain single sex provisions like women only sports, rather than changing them to being single gender, which would mean including transwomen on the basis of their gender rather than their sex. The reason for this is because of the implications for safety and fairness due to the number differences (strength, size, speed etc) between male and female bodies. Hope that helps?

ANewCreation · 15/04/2021 13:14

Gender critical - recognising that a woman is an adult human female, that women and girls are discriminated against because of their biology, and that gender is primarily a tool of the patriarchy used to oppress women.

Brilliant succinct summary of the Gender Critical position. Thanks, nocoolnamesleft - will file that one away!

Margie70 · 15/04/2021 13:15

Sending you a hug and handhold. I’m so glad I’m retired now and don’t have to deal with that shit. You are brave to do this, and on the side of common sense.. not always so common in the wokedom.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 15/04/2021 13:17

Well done, another virtual fist bump here

I work in very unwoke field, so generally conflation of sex and gender is just people trying to be’naice’, and I’ve been able to unpick it at no personal risk

You’re brave OP.

CorvusPurpureus · 15/04/2021 13:19

Another fist bump, OP & Flowers

LizzieSiddal · 15/04/2021 13:20

Good for you OP.

PotholeHellhole · 15/04/2021 13:21

wineatfiveisfine

These two threads will help a lot. The first is basically devoted to your question!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

PotholeHellhole · 15/04/2021 13:22

Sorry, that's to wineat5isfine!

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 15/04/2021 13:22

@Wineat5isfine

Thank you Shizuku!
That’s an unashamedly biased answer from Shizuku, rather than an objective definition.

Shizuku is not someone who identifies as GC, to the best of my belief; someone who in fact is very anti-GC.

Being GC is not about being critical of trans people, but of transgenderist ideology. We are critical of that ideology because we see it as being rooted in sexist stereotypes, and as undermining women’s (much needed) sex-based rights.

IMO there’s a lot of misogyny in current transgenderist ideology, as well as homophobia (same-sex attraction is invalidated under this ideology and replaced by “same gender” attraction, which often ends up being opposite sex).

I don’t think that it’s progressive or even reasonable to refer to biologically male people who are attracted to biologically female people as “lesbians”, for example.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 15/04/2021 13:24

OP, I take my hat off to you. That really is brave. Massively well done and glad to hear the response so far is positive. Good luck with that friend and the others who are quiet so far.

CardinalLolzy · 15/04/2021 13:24

"Gender Critical" recognises that gender roles and stereotypes are harmful to both males and females, and should not form the basis of medical treatment, as they currently do (e.g. if you're a girl and play with "girls' toys" that's fine but if you are a boy it's a symptom of gender dysphoria - see halfway down this page). www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria )

neroforte · 15/04/2021 13:25

lmao Grin

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 15/04/2021 13:25

If you worked in my office I'd be dropping a cuppa and a slice of cake at your desk as a metaphorical fist bump

Ifyourefeelingsinister · 15/04/2021 13:26

Well done op, sending support! There are more out there of us than you think - I don't know many people of my age who aren't gender critical.

CardinalLolzy · 15/04/2021 13:27

This thread's on 'trending now' btw, so you might get a few more curious posters!

JustcameoutGC · 15/04/2021 13:29

Oooeerrr I thought the MN algorithm meant that these pages never trended. For any newbies trying to figure this shit out, start with this as recommended above.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

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geojellyfish · 15/04/2021 13:34

Nice try @Shizuku Yet another attempt to misrepresent gender critical feminists.

I love it when internet strangers decide they are better able to talk about my beliefs than I am.

GC feminists believe gender is a construct used to oppress women and uphold the inequalities of patriarchy. We want societies to be free of the social constraints of gender stereotyping and conformity. Sex is not an identity, it should not determine who you are, what you do, how you dress or who you love. We recognise that men and women differ at a biological level, which in many instances is irrelevant, yet in others is fundamental.

We also feel that in order to tackle sexism, misogyny and the patriarchy, we need to be able to talk about sex.

The misrepresentation that GC=transphobic comes from a growing theory that gender supersedes sex. That man and woman are identities unrelated to our bodies. We disagree.

We don't hate transgender people, we don't deny their existence, we don't want them to die. We just don't believe anyone can change their sex and we are frustrated that our language is being compelled such that any emphasis on sex instead of gender earns accusations of transphobia.

Like JK Rowling, I want everyone to feel safe, confident and happy to live the life they want. However, sometimes, sex matters.