I just came out as GC at work, to the big boss and I feel a bit sick

[JustcameoutGC]

I have NCed for this. I have just outed myself as GC in work to the big boss (and some others cced in).

I was asked to sign off on something that I just couldn't and I said so, and explained why.

I literally feel sick. Like I have put a big fat GC target on my back. My org is totally woke. I wonder how many times my response has been forwarded already.

We've moved on from that.

No we haven't. This isn't your thread to direct as you please.

She's worried, because talking about sex categories in relation to who does and who doesn't have a cervix, is considered wrong. You can't even bring yourself to say that it's women and girls who have a bloody cervix.

Even when you are asked point-blank how people know, you can't bring yourself to say the words.

Yet you deride her trepidation in addressing this very issue at work.

It's breathtaking.

I completely agree Datun.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

We've moved on from that.

No we haven't. This isn't your thread to direct as you please.

You can't have it both ways.

You're telling me not to derail but you have an issue with someone challenging something I backtracked on and accepted I needed to progress on about 5 pages ago.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

We've moved on from that.

No we haven't. This isn't your thread to direct as you please.

All you ever do across the board is quote posts that disagree with me and agree with them, so I will cope with your criticism.

This thread is fast moving, Datun responded when she read the post, I imagine.

@Butwasitherdriveway *Mmhm.

It's always easy to spin a belief into a positive position though isn't it.

I believe that everyone should have the right to identify how they choose and people should respect t.

When I write it like that, it's indisputable.*

So you believe a white person should be able to identify as a POC, such as Rachel Dolezal?

All you ever do across the board is quote posts that disagree with me

Someone's rather self-important! You're not actually on most of the threads I'm on.

I don't think I would be the only one on this thread who has no idea what are the possible repercussions you' think you've pointed out, butwasit.

All you've done is tell the OP that she was wrong to use the words "came out as GC" (in the title) because it made it sound like she was "coming out" as gay - something she has said she shouldn't have done and should have used "been outed as GC".

She is fully aware of how risky being seen as GC is in these times, as are most of the rest of us. Therefore doing what she has done IS brave. We know there are possible repercussions so I can only conclude that you are either being an agent provocateur by arguing in circles or that you are failing to make a clear point.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

This thread is fast moving, Datun responded when she read the post, I imagine.

Yes...so I said we'd moved on from it (as I'd apologised that I'd got it wrong and we moved on).

Unless of course youd have liked me to derail by having further discussions about the cervix that you objected to?

@ThumbWitchesAbroad

I don't think I would be the only one on this thread who has no idea what are the possible repercussions you' think you've pointed out, butwasit.

All you've done is tell the OP that she was wrong to use the words "came out as GC" (in the title) because it made it sound like she was "coming out" as gay - something she has said she shouldn't have done and should have used "been outed as GC".

She is fully aware of how risky being seen as GC is in these times, as are most of the rest of us. Therefore doing what she has done IS brave. We know there are possible repercussions so I can only conclude that you are either being an agent provocateur by arguing in circles or that you are failing to make a clear point.

No, I said the coming out thing posts and posts ago. I can only assume you haven't RTFT.

When I pointed out repercussions I was told I was scaremongering and there was no repercussions as no workplace could do anything about it.

But she's brave.

Which is it?

As an example of what I mean, one organisation I know was bidding for a big pot of funding and one of the conditions was that they provided gender neutral toilets. They handled it very well, installing an additional, single unit, lockable cubicle with an internal basin.

Win-win. But they weren't required to do it that way and if they'd chosen to cut corners and convert an existing toilet block then some staff would have lost a single sex space, and it would have been very hard for anyone to object because everyone knew that, if they didn't win this funding they were basically stuffed.

That's just one example of how it can be risky to speak out.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

All you ever do across the board is quote posts that disagree with me

Someone's rather self-important! You're not actually on most of the threads I'm on.

You still do it though.

If you think she's brave, you must he accepting that the view is controversial.

If you think it's risky doing it at work and you applaud her, you must know there's repercussions.

So why have many posters told me I'm scaremongering by suggesting that these views can get you in trouble at work directly or indirectly?

@Butwasitherdriveway

So we admit there are possible repercussions for this?

I don't think anyone needs to "admit" there could be possible repercussions for speaking up. Those repercussions are the whole reason OP wrote "I literally feel sick. Like I have put a big fat GC target on my back. My org is totally woke. I wonder how many times my response has been forwarded already."

I hope she doesn't experience any negative consequences and that her workplace takes heed of what she has pointed out to them.

I hope she doesn't experience any negative consequences and that her workplace takes heed of what she has pointed out to them.

An early post indicated that the 'big boss' recognised the points raised were important.

I agree

Im responding more to the many posters who told me I was scaremongering and making things up by suggesting this might not go well for people who air these views.

Thanks for that example @Floisme

I am building up to challenging an organisation I work with for using ‘gender’ in an important questionnaire, when quite clearly they mean sex. In fact, I have already challenged it but the questionnaire “owner” has left the organisation and I’m trying to track down his replacement!

I don't think anyone needs to "admit" there could be possible repercussions for speaking up.

Exactly. That's the whole point. If she knew they were going to say "yes, I absolutely agree, crack on", she wouldn't have been anxious about it.

Sorry to add to the derail, but I can sadly concur that a good number of the teenagers that I teach maths to do not know that a quarter, twenty five percent and 0.25 are equivalent, despite my having explained this to them personally, with diagrams and in multiple other ways, dozens of times.
I think if you are quite intelligent and have been in classes at school with people of an equivalent level of intelligence, it can be difficult to understand just how difficult it is for some people to take on and retain new knowledge.
For lower ability students, I tend to make silly songs to get things to stick. Sadly, not much rhymes with cervix, so I don’t think that would apply to the information being discussed in this thread.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I don't think anyone needs to "admit" there could be possible repercussions for speaking up.

Exactly. That's the whole point. If she knew they were going to say "yes, I absolutely agree, crack on", she wouldn't have been anxious about it.

So why didn't you respond to the many posters who told me I was scaremongering?

am building up to challenging an organisation I work with for using ‘gender’ in an important questionnaire, when quite clearly they mean sex.

This is brilliant, the more people who do these things, the less this ideology has a stranglehold.

The HPV vaccine was given to my daughter because the virus can cause Cervical cancer
www.nhs.uk/conditions/human-papilloma-virus-hpv/
My son was not offered it
but the year below him (and all successive years) were
because the benefits to boys of eradicating HPV are now becoming clear.

Healthcare terminology has to be clear

Sadly due to a strategy of institutional capture
it has become very poor in many organisations
and many people (both men and women)
have been penalised for recognising both biological and legal realities

the OP took a stand
for which I congratulate her
and hope that many more people who have read this thread
will be more willing to do the same

I agree about gender and sex being used in the wrong capacity , that does annoy me.

@Butwasitherdriveway

I agree

Im responding more to the many posters who told me I was scaremongering and making things up by suggesting this might not go well for people who air these views.

So you do understand that using sex categories to describe people who have a cervix is not part of gender ideology, and women are being told that it is wrong to do so.

You also understand that many people don't know what their internal organs are, and that people for whom English is not a first language would also not know.

And you understand that the reason the OP felt sick was because she works for an organisation which could well uphold gender ideology to an extent that denies material reality and she's worried about pointing it out.

Because, from what I could tell, you were in disagreement with virtually all of that.

Maybe I have missed a bit. It's perfectly possible.

Another example is when organisations use staff surveys that replace 'sex' with 'gender' and that are powered by the likes of Survey Monkey, so if you raise it with your own HR you're told that they didn't choose the wording.