Pregnant people?

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So our local NHS Trust have finally updated their guidance re allowing partners to attend pregnancy scans etc.
They now refer to pregnant people, not pregnant women.
I don't know if I am being unreasonable here but this does not sit comfortably with me?

But anyway, I'm leaving it there for today. Have a lovely sunday all

Yes, just admit defeat. I think it’s probably for the best.

Why is having a baby a womanly thing?

Good question. Why is it only a heterosexual thing too?

Diversity is a wonderful thing and I think we should be celebrating and supporting the tiny minority of LGBTQ people who have families.

Woman is a gender term
I don't think I've seen that claim made before - well on Twitter maybe, but not on here.
It's kind of interesting sometimes just to sit and watch language being manipulated right in front of your eyes.

@SapphosRock

Why is having a baby a womanly thing?

Good question. Why is it only a heterosexual thing too?

Diversity is a wonderful thing and I think we should be celebrating and supporting the tiny minority of LGBTQ people who have families.

100% agree! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@KitBiscuit

This is getting absolutely ridiculous now. I feel sick to my stomach when I think about how Pregnant Women will soon be a minority. Don't get me wrong, anyone can be whatever they want to be, but only a woman can get pregnant. If you don't identify as a woman, well...then....

I believe a grand total of 2 trans men have ever been pregnant in the UK so I don't think there is any great risk of pregnant women becoming a minority

I actually know one of them and he would never want the word woman to be erased from maternity care.

@ASugarr

Well I don't like to think being pregnant as a womanly thing as (since you are all claiming being a woman is a sex term when it isn't) it is insulting to women who can't give birth or get pregnant. That's why we don't use gendered language because it isn't just to help transgender people. Trust me.

But anyway, I'm leaving it there for today. Have a lovely sunday all 🤍

And remember, gender and sex aren't the same thing. Woman is a gender term 🤍

You do realise you contradicted yourself there? ‘Woman isn’t a sex term’ and then ‘sex and gender aren’t the same thing’.

Basic logic class.
All cats are mammals ≠ all mammals are cats.
Only women can get pregnant ≠ only people who get pregnant are women.

I think pregnant person is a another way of uncoupling the word 'woman' from 'female' and I would object to it. Only females get pregnant no matter how they identify themselves. 'Pregnant women and other people who are pregnant' is inclusive. And its another example of a tiny tiny minority forcing the vast majority to accept terminology they object to.

You just have to think that most people you speak to on a daily, think pregnant ‘people’ and ‘chest’feeding is a load of bollocks, I only see otherwise on Twitter. I try not to get worked up about it

Firstly you have to explain what you mean by characteristics? Because I don't agree with gender stereotypes.

So if you don’t believe in gender stereotypes how does someone who is trans express their gender? Can someone with a vagina and cervix, stand there in a dress and make up but say that they are a man?
What makes them a man? Just saying it? (I can see how this might be the case early in someone’s transition journey.)

it is insulting to women who can't give birth or get pregnant

I really don’t think people see it like that. It took me a long time to get pregnant but I wouldn’t get upset with the term ‘only women get pregnant’. It’s not saying if you can’t get pregnant, you aren’t a women

Woman is a gender term.

This is getting absolutely ridiculous now. I feel sick to my stomach when I think about how Pregnant Women will soon be a minority. Don't get me wrong, anyone can be whatever they want to be, but only a woman can get pregnant. If you don't identify as a woman, well...then...

Which is why we keep complaining about it. And pushing back. Only women can get pregnant. That is a biological fact. And it always will be. Transmen are biological women. And if they want to do the ultimate thing that men simply cannot do by getting pregnant, that's fine, and there is no issue referring to (this teeny minority) as transmen out of kindness. But they don't get to opt out of womanhood, and then remove the language the majority of women wish to use to describe themselves because they no longer wish to identify as women. That's not how it works.
But this isn't really about transmen at all. As much as they wish to escape their biology, they can't. And they are only supported in areas where it benefits transwomen to achieve their goals.

@EastWestWhosBest

Firstly you have to explain what you mean by characteristics? Because I don't agree with gender stereotypes.

So if you don’t believe in gender stereotypes how does someone who is trans express their gender? Can someone with a vagina and cervix, stand there in a dress and make up but say that they are a man?
What makes them a man? Just saying it? (I can see how this might be the case early in someone’s transition journey.)

Imagine a world where everyone has to dress the same and have the same haircut They have to do the same roles apart from where biology makes that impossible, say having a baby. How do you distinguish male from female in that world? Remove all stereotypes and there is only biology.

Pregnant women and other people who are pregnant' is inclusive
I know that's often put forward as a compromise but I think it's worse because it's inaccurate. There is no 'and' - no other kind of people can be pregnant and I think it's asking for trouble to imply otherwise.

If being inclusive is the goal then I think 'Pregnant women - including transmen' might be clunky but at least it's accurate.

it is insulting to women who can't give birth or get pregnant

Nope. I can’t get pregnant or give birth. I am not insulted by that.
I am insulted by the removal of the word woman. I am a woman regardless of my level of fertility. Don’t you fuck dare use infertile women as some kind of proof. And do presume to tell me what I am and am not insulted by.

Its obviously erasing women if the same process doesnt work for men

Its as simple as that

Once the word men isn’t used and its all ‘people with a prostrate’ then I’ll start listening to all the people bollocking on about keeping words ‘inclusive’

Until that point ‘inclusive language’ is a fucking lie and I’ve no patience with it

@Thefaceofboe

You just have to think that most people you speak to on a daily, think pregnant ‘people’ and ‘chest’feeding is a load of bollocks, I only see otherwise on Twitter. I try not to get worked up about it

That in a way is the problem. If you’re not on twitter you’re probably not aware of how much this has permeated government, the nhs, charities and companies

Of course no one thinks men should be allowed to play rugby with or against women and yet the RFU is ok with that happening

Of course no one thinks that programmes designed to correct decades of under representation or marginalisation of women should be open to men - except they are

Of course no one thinks prizes for women writers or artists should be open to men - except they are

Of course no one thinks female prisons should include men - except they do

It’s the hidden nature of all this that has allowed it to happen. Woman has been redefined to include men which changes everything and 99% of the public don’t even know

@ASugarr

Woman is a gender term.

So what is the term for a person born with a vagina, womb etc?

Incorrect because men can be pregnant as trans men are men. Not every adult human female is a woman. That is a fact.
Not sure how 'fact' is being defined there. I'd be interested in how you'd respond to a man asking your advice on how to become pregnant.

The majority of people believe in biology. Some people believe in gender ideology. This is a simple clash of beliefs.

The sooner gender ideology is recognised as a minority belief system and treated in that way, respect for believers but not necessarily beliefs, the better for all of us I think.

It’s the hidden nature of all this that has allowed it to happen. Woman has been redefined to include men which changes everything and 99% of the public don’t even know

That’s very true.

And remember, gender and sex aren't the same thing. Woman is a gender term

No. Female and women denote particular bodily attributes shared by the sex class that provides the ova, gestates and bears young.

'Feminine' is the gender most often associated with this.

@DaisiesandButtercups

The majority of people believe in biology. Some people believe in gender ideology. This is a simple clash of beliefs.

The sooner gender ideology is recognised as a minority belief system and treated in that way, respect for believers but not necessarily beliefs, the better for all of us I think.

It's hilarious because they don't actually clash when you look at the science behind it 😂

The implosion of this crap can't come soon enough for this woman