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Pregnant people?

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Trustisamust · 11/04/2021 03:12

So our local NHS Trust have finally updated their guidance re allowing partners to attend pregnancy scans etc.
They now refer to pregnant people, not pregnant women.
I don't know if I am being unreasonable here but this does not sit comfortably with me?

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EdgeOfACoin · 11/04/2021 07:34

@ASugarr given that transmen can get pregnant, do you consider period care and childbirth to be feminist issues?

ASugarr · 11/04/2021 07:35

[quote EdgeOfACoin]@ASugarr given that transmen can get pregnant, do you consider period care and childbirth to be feminist issues?[/quote]
Not exclusively no. They are human rights issues.

dayoftheclownfish · 11/04/2021 07:35

I am a woman and I feel erased by this language. I am not the same as a male person with gender dysphoria or a feminine gender expression, and I want this recognised. What is your solution?

Because that’s what this is about. Not ‘including transmen’ but making sure TW are not reminded that the word ‘woman’ cannot apply to them in some situations, such as pregnancy care.

doadeer · 11/04/2021 07:37

It's a very interesting one around access to medical services and sex.

I've had a few operations lately where I'm under an xray machine, I'm forced to pee in a cup for a pregnancy test as a woman who could potentially be pregnant. Or for the covid vaccine I was asked if I'm breastfeeding.

There are many situations where biological sex impacts treatment. If we carry on this path would that mean everyone has to pee in the cup as we are categorised as "people" not by sex?

Theunamedcat · 11/04/2021 07:39

If it was accross the board for men and women i would live with it and no complaints but it seems transmen dont count like there dysphoria isnt as bad as transwomen dysphoria is transwomen are allegedly triggered by everyone and everything transmen not so much

The biological facts are pregnancy is a uniquely female experience this should not be denied yes make allowances and be inclusive when needed but in a world when I'm told I have to be intimately examined by a man I cannot request a woman without being accused of being a "Karen" or being transphobic why can't men suck it the fuck up too? All or nothing? Either biological sex is transphobic or it isn't you cant just say women is transphobic and men isnt thats just not how it works

And I think its ridiculous that you cant put donar on a birth certificate

Littlepaws18 · 11/04/2021 07:39

It's scary I feel that identity of a woman is being eroded. I'm pregnant now and so far no medical person has ignored my gender. It's part of our identity.

ASugarr · 11/04/2021 07:40

@dayoftheclownfish

I am a woman and I feel erased by this language. I am not the same as a male person with gender dysphoria or a feminine gender expression, and I want this recognised. What is your solution?

Because that’s what this is about. Not ‘including transmen’ but making sure TW are not reminded that the word ‘woman’ cannot apply to them in some situations, such as pregnancy care.

Okay that is your opinion however that doesn't mean change is then necessary to fit your opinion. Many women have stood up and support trans rights and issues. The exact same comments were made around the time gay people wanted to get married. Everyone said "well I don't find their marriage equal so I don't want them to use that term". But that's not erasing you or your life. By saying 'people' it erases no one.
EdgeOfACoin · 11/04/2021 07:44

@ASugarr

Do you not consider feminist issues to be part of human right?

What would you consider to be a feminist issue?

EdgeOfACoin · 11/04/2021 07:44

*human rights not human right

ASugarr · 11/04/2021 07:46

[quote EdgeOfACoin]@ASugarr

Do you not consider feminist issues to be part of human right?

What would you consider to be a feminist issue?[/quote]
I do however some aren't exclusive to just women. Sexual assault rates, FGM, cis mens attacks on us, etc all fit as feminist issues as they affect women. Some of which including trans women (not FGM. But others do).

dayoftheclownfish · 11/04/2021 07:46

So that’s just my opinion, and my opinion is not a legitimate reason for change but your opinion is a legitimate reason for change.

Do you know how to spell ‘entitlement’?

To be precise, not using the word ‘women’ when it is appropriate erases discrimination of women, women continue to exist. Pregnancy-related discrimination is rife, as many of us here know through lived experience.

DrJump · 11/04/2021 07:47

How many woman need to say we feel erased by this language before it's stopped?

ReallyShowsYourAge · 11/04/2021 07:48

Why should women give up the word we use to define ourselves? It all seems very one sided. We must change our way of talking about ourselves no matter what our personal preference but trans people must always have their preferred term used. Why is that?

ASugarr · 11/04/2021 07:49

@dayoftheclownfish

So that’s just my opinion, and my opinion is not a legitimate reason for change but your opinion is a legitimate reason for change.

Do you know how to spell ‘entitlement’?

To be precise, not using the word ‘women’ when it is appropriate erases discrimination of women, women continue to exist. Pregnancy-related discrimination is rife, as many of us here know through lived experience.

How does it erase women to acknowledge that the fact is not only women experience these issues?
ASugarr · 11/04/2021 07:51

@ReallyShowsYourAge

Why should women give up the word we use to define ourselves? It all seems very one sided. We must change our way of talking about ourselves no matter what our personal preference but trans people must always have their preferred term used. Why is that?
No one is asking you to change the way you talk about yourself and other women. No one. However medical professionals have a duty of care which means they have to be factual with their wording. Meaning they have to follow this conduct which many, if not all, are okay with.
FrancesGumm · 11/04/2021 07:51

By saying ‘people’ it erases no-one. True.
But by saying ‘people’ it includes everyone. Which is incorrect.
Only women can become pregnant.
Every single human being on this planet was carried in the womb of an adult human female aka a woman.

ASugarr · 11/04/2021 07:51

@FrancesGumm

By saying ‘people’ it erases no-one. True. But by saying ‘people’ it includes everyone. Which is incorrect. Only women can become pregnant. Every single human being on this planet was carried in the womb of an adult human female aka a woman.
Incorrect because men can be pregnant as trans men are men. Not every adult human female is a woman. That is a fact.
Biscuitsanddoombar · 11/04/2021 07:56

Bwahaha “factual”

Transmen are only able to be pregnant because they have female biology. I can’t say what I think about the entitlement of TM with a GRC who get pregnant because id be barred

Theunamedcat · 11/04/2021 07:57

Actually no some people don't realise they have a cervix they believe they have a vagina my friend thought it was hilarious she knew nothing about a smear test and turned up during her period (she doesn't read well so didn't read the booklet) the nurse had to go through it with her and rebook

The ignorance is real

ASugarr · 11/04/2021 07:57

@Biscuitsanddoombar

Bwahaha “factual”

Transmen are only able to be pregnant because they have female biology. I can’t say what I think about the entitlement of TM with a GRC who get pregnant because id be barred

Yes their sex is female. But that doesn't mean they aren't men. Sex doesn't equal gender.
334bu · 11/04/2021 07:59

Use of gender neutral language minimises problems women face inthe public's eye. A report stating 1 in 3 pupils suffer sexual harassment at school dies not have the same impact as 1 in 6 girls are sexually harassed/ assaulted at school. 51% of the population do not figure in this drug's testing is not as stark as no women were considered when testing this drug's safety/ efficacy etc. Erasing women means we don't count.

334bu · 11/04/2021 08:00

If sex doesn't equal gender then why are you unwilling to use the sex marker noun for a human female .

ASugarr · 11/04/2021 08:02

@334bu

If sex doesn't equal gender then why are you unwilling to use the sex marker noun for a human female .
And what would that be? Because being a woman doesn't mean you are female.
StealthPolarBear · 11/04/2021 08:04

Why does this duty of care not seem yo extend to men's issues? Prostate cancer ads still use the word men. Why is that OK?