Pregnant people?

[Trustisamust]

So our local NHS Trust have finally updated their guidance re allowing partners to attend pregnancy scans etc.
They now refer to pregnant people, not pregnant women.
I don't know if I am being unreasonable here but this does not sit comfortably with me?

It's also by law that trans women are women/female and trans men are men/male. Yet you seemingly ignore that

Which law is this?

@Erkrie

Call her what you want asugar. It doesnt mean she isn't legally your mother, no matter what names you want to call her. You clearly have issues in your relationship with her. Which is sad. Maybe you both will be able to resolve that one day.

Actually she legally isn't anymore. Which is great. All parental connection is gone. And don't worry, we won't. I won't ever see her again which is amazing.

@WarmDuscher

It's also by law that trans women are women/female and trans men are men/male. Yet you seemingly ignore that

Which law is this?

The legal change in their birth certificate.

The legal change in their birth certificate.

That they don't always have, in fact a small minority have. Plus there are exemptions to both the GRA and EA.

Surely however if the words can mean anything you want them to mean why do we even need a legal change ?

Which is it. We require a legal fiction in order for people to ve forced to believe something that isn't scientifically true.

If man /woman can.ve assigned to anyone regardless of sex then why do we need the legal side?

Wouldn't it just save everyone time money and going through a legal.privess if you have the answer which means we could jusT know ?

It's also by law that trans women are women/female and trans men are men/male. Yet you seemingly ignore that

There is no law which states this.

For the very few who have gone down the legal route of obtaining a GRC, the restrictions and criteria are stringent and rightly so.

I would hazard a guess that you cast a wide net around who is defined as "trans" and that self-ID is sufficient.

In which case, no these people are not legally men or women as much as they may wish they were born to be. We all suffer our lot in life.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

The legal change in their birth certificate.

That they don't always have, in fact a small minority have. Plus there are exemptions to both the GRA and EA.

Exactly.

But ASugarr implied it was all trans people.

Have I got that right, ASugarr?

Could you elaborate on what "women's clothes" are that you say you don't wear, Asugar?

And explain how if you, a woman, wear them, they aren't women's clothes?

Although I'm certainly not a very feminine woman (I don't wear women's clothes, etc),

@Whatwouldscullydo

Surely however if the words can mean anything you want them to mean why do we even need a legal change ?

Which is it. We require a legal fiction in order for people to ve forced to believe something that isn't scientifically true.

If man /woman can.ve assigned to anyone regardless of sex then why do we need the legal side?

Many TRAs would do away with the legal aspect tomorrow and demand all the rights they choose based on self-ID alone. That is what is currently being pushed for and we're in for a whole heap of shit if they get their way.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Could you elaborate on what "women's clothes" are that you say you don't wear, Asugar?

And explain how if you, a woman, wear them, they aren't women's clothes?

Although I'm certainly not a very feminine woman (I don't wear women's clothes, etc),

I mean like the stores that separate women's and men's clothing and all that.

The legal change in their birth certificate.

Subject to exemptions, so not a recognition that they are actually the opposite sex to that which they were born.

However, if you are now saying that only those with a GRC, which are somewhere in the region of 5,000 people, can claim to be women when they are in fact men then every other person who makes this claim is, by your definition, not, which pulls down the entire edifice of your argument.

Never said all 😂

We wouldn't need self ID either if this secret list of Diagnostic criteria would be made public knowledge.

I hope you realise that not every woman on here is a mother. And that many woman on here have had difficult relationships with their own mothers.

We haven’t all had storybook childhoods and marriages and children. We are not looking at this issue from some sort of sheltered reality where everything is a nuclear family with picnics and lashings of ginger beer thinking that’s the way it should be.

Women are people. Women who are mothers are people. They are not a homogenous group you can write off as out of touch and uninformed.

I mean like the stores that separate women's and men's clothing and all that

But no one arrests you fir going into the "wrong" section. I mean.you are free to buy and wear what you like . No one actually gives a crap. No ones gonna stop you at the till and make.yku put it back.

Never said all

You weren’t specific, which is why I asked.

So, you agree with Ereshkigalangcleg’s post that it’s only the small number of trans people with a GRC who can claim the legal fiction that they are the opposite sex?

However, if you are now saying that only those with a GRC, which are somewhere in the region of 5,000 people, can claim to be women

Some of them are FTM, so even less.

@BaseDrops

I hope you realise that not every woman on here is a mother. And that many woman on here have had difficult relationships with their own mothers.

We haven’t all had storybook childhoods and marriages and children. We are not looking at this issue from some sort of sheltered reality where everything is a nuclear family with picnics and lashings of ginger beer thinking that’s the way it should be.

Women are people. Women who are mothers are people. They are not a homogenous group you can write off as out of touch and uninformed.

Understood. But all I'm trying to display is that sometimes biological reality isn't what is important to all. Regardless of the fact she gave birth to me, she isn't a mother and never will be allowed to be. I don't wish to go into why but I will say that it literally makes me and my family safer that way. Like I'm disabled because of it. So understand that not everyone cares about others views on what's "biologically" right when in their life it isn't important.

@WarmDuscher

Never said all

You weren’t specific, which is why I asked.

So, you agree with Ereshkigalangcleg’s post that it’s only the small number of trans people with a GRC who can claim the legal fiction that they are the opposite sex?

Sadly yes because the process is hard to go through with the very limited transgender healthcare.

Biological reality doesn't change though just because you remove the words to accurately describe it

Never said all

Trans women are women in law" is a blanket statement. That's the point of it. It's an article of faith. Are you then saying that not all male people who identify as women are actually "trans women", and that only applies to the ones with GRC?

It's not about what's "biologically right" as you put it. You can disown a parent. They are still either your mother or father regardless. This is a linguistic and legal definition.

You don't ever have to refer to her as such, although you already have on this thread, but that is what she is.

@Whatwouldscullydo

Biological reality doesn't change though just because you remove the words to accurately describe it

It does within my life and my lifestyle. Yeah sure I'm biologically still my mothers daughter. But legally and in reality I am not.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Never said all

Trans women are women in law" is a blanket statement. That's the point of it. It's an article of faith. Are you then saying that not all male people who identify as women are actually "trans women", and that only applies to the ones with GRC?

As I said the whole edifice is crumbling.