Pregnant people?

[Trustisamust]

So our local NHS Trust have finally updated their guidance re allowing partners to attend pregnancy scans etc.
They now refer to pregnant people, not pregnant women.
I don't know if I am being unreasonable here but this does not sit comfortably with me?

How?

There no way to determine sex apparently

Stroke.

Both heart attacks and stroke can present differently in men and women. Thus, in order to correctly and quickly identify the signs, you need to know what sex someone is.

@Alltheprettyseahorses

Can we stop being wacky here? Being a woman isn't identity, only women get pregnant, there is no excuse for vague and unscientific language in essential medical information. Anything else is privileged middle-class navel-gazing designed to show off the high status of not being constrained by real life. It's bizarre, boring and annoying.

Well said.

Jeez, I hope if I ever have a stroke or heart attack it isn't A sugar who is the first aider. I'd be fucked.

But after 1987, there was areduction in death rates among men, while women began to surpass men in heart-disease deaths. By 2017, men and women experienced similar rates of death from heart disease.

Research shows that primary-care physicians and cardiologists were not recognizing heart disease in women, and now leaders in the field are working to come up with sex-specific diagnostics and treatment so that women can optimize CVD treatment.

“Historically, research and innovation in heart disease was for men and by men, and women were left by the wayside to die,” Bairey Merz told Time.

Bairey Merz advocates that women need to know that they often have heart disease symptoms that are different from men's symptoms. Womentend to experience slightly more nausea, vomiting and shortness of breath than men do. Also, when women have a heart attack, they experience pressure or tightness through the chest that is often more subtle than men's chest pain. And if women feel that their physician isn't taking their symptoms seriously, they need to insist on receiving further testing and second opinions.

www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/time-women-die-from-heart-attacks-more-often-than-men-heres-why--and-what-doctors-are-doing-about-it/

Asugarr I'm on another long thread with you where you claimed that the UK government had tried to push an abstinence only sex education program and from the context it was about recentish times

I think I asked if you were in the UK on that thread and you didn't answer.

This health card stuff is another thing you've talked about as if it's just a standard well known thing and reminded me of it.

Are you in the UK?

Jeez, I hope if I ever have a stroke or heart attack it isn't A sugar who is the first aider. I'd be fucked

Especially given many don't know they are pregnant at first. You could have ectopic pregnancy symptoms way befire you even knew you were pregnant.

Oh yeah, definitely heart attack. Symptoms can be completely different for women compared to men.

And research on concussion is showing that men and women experience it differently and have different recovery profiles.

@NiceGerbil

Asugarr I'm on another long thread with you where you claimed that the UK government had tried to push an abstinence only sex education program and from the context it was about recentish times

I think I asked if you were in the UK on that thread and you didn't answer.

This health card stuff is another thing you've talked about as if it's just a standard well known thing and reminded me of it.

Are you in the UK?

Yes I am in the UK.

So you don't know the sex without asking but also you know the sex because it's a pregnancy thing.

Uh-huh.

@Erkrie

Stroke.

Both heart attacks and stroke can present differently in men and women. Thus, in order to correctly and quickly identify the signs, you need to know what sex someone is.

That's to do with the signs before someone is in immediate danger and is uncontious so you can ask them

Define UK.

Could be on the fucking moon.

Ectopic pregnancy
Miscarriage
Labour

You'd know their biological sex was female in those situations.

How? A transman goes to hospital with abdominal pains. They present as male and sign themselves in with a male name. They then pass out. How do you know if you should be checking for an ectopic pregnancy?

For someone who is ‘technically’ a medical health professional you seem to spend a lot of time chatting on Twitter.

From a cardiology expert:

Heart disease is the leading cause of death for both men and women. Heart attacks do not discriminate — women are just as likely to have a heart attack as men are. But women are more likely than men to die from one. Studies show it often comes down to recognizing symptoms of a heart attack — or not.

Signs of a heart attack in women that get missed:

Researchers have learned that symptoms of heart attack can be very different, especially for men and women. The most common signs of a heart attack are the same for both. But there are many symptoms women are more likely to have that are less expected:

Heart Attack Symptoms in Men vs. Women

Although having crushing chest pain is not unusual for women experiencing a heart attack, more often than not they have a combination of less-recognized symptoms such as:

Nausea
Indigestion
Fatigue
Dizziness
Women tend to attribute those types of symptoms to non-life threatening conditions that are not heart related, such as acid reflux, the flu or even stress and anxiety.

Rather than getting medical care, women are more likely to wait it out, hoping symptoms go away, with heart-damaging and life-threatening consequences.

Note that men and women here is purely based on sex, as in the correct definition of the words men and women.

That's to do with the signs before someone is in immediate danger and is uncontious so you can ask them

Interesting. Have you ever witnessed someone having a stroke? I have. They were conscious. They were absolutely unable to respond to me.

@EastWestWhosBest

Ectopic pregnancy Miscarriage Labour

You'd know their biological sex was female in those situations.

How? A transman goes to hospital with abdominal pains. They present as male and sign themselves in with a male name. They then pass out. How do you know if you should be checking for an ectopic pregnancy?

For someone who is ‘technically’ a medical health professional you seem to spend a lot of time chatting on Twitter.

Again. Them being transgender will be on their medical record and many trans people are open with medical professionals about their biological sex.

as a first aider you do what you can

The British Red Cross offer first aid training in the uk. This is on their list of possible situations/responsibilities for a first aider:

	dealing with an emergency
	unresponsive – breathing
	unresponsive – not breathing (cardiopulmonary resuscitation – CPR)
	seizures
	burns
	bleeding heavily
	broken bones, strains and sprains
	head injury
	choking
	heart attack
	stroke
	severe allergic reaction
	diabetic emergency.

Heart attack and stroke are the two obvious ones that present differently in females (regardless of gender identity).

@Erkrie

That's to do with the signs before someone is in immediate danger and is uncontious so you can ask them

Interesting. Have you ever witnessed someone having a stroke? I have. They were conscious. They were absolutely unable to respond to me.

Well then I hope you helped where you could and called a paramedic to do the rest.

Shoulder pain also a sign of preeclampsia and HELLP syndrome, which are life-endangering pregnancy complications.

And I won’t ask as I won’t get an answer, but I wonder aloud why anyone with a burning drive to disrupt and grab all attention for whatever validation they may get from it is supported on social media by the very people they exploit for attention.

It is often said here that various posters must be GC plants, but they’re not. Trans ideology is just a useful tool to suck up the attention they require.

@EastWestWhosBest

Ectopic pregnancy Miscarriage Labour

You'd know their biological sex was female in those situations.

How? A transman goes to hospital with abdominal pains. They present as male and sign themselves in with a male name. They then pass out. How do you know if you should be checking for an ectopic pregnancy?

For someone who is ‘technically’ a medical health professional you seem to spend a lot of time chatting on Twitter.

Adrian? Is that you?

But how would you know to ask them?

Oh that’s Steven. No one knows Steven is a transman. Poor Steven has a sore shoulder. Must have been the gym. Oh no Steven is unconscious. What could it be?

Well it could be a ruptured Fallopian tube from an ectopic pregnancy but as Steven’s medical records say male, I’m not sure how long it would take for that to be considered.

@Trustisamust

A lot of people have complained, citing that they feel it's "erasing" women. I have to admit to kind of feeling the same?

Agree

You do realise that in the time of getting to the emergency, paramedics will be running through their heads how they plan to deal with the situation.the more info you can give them when you call 999 the better.

You may think you are being kimd or considerate in some way but if you can see someone's female you should bloody tell them because that is vital and will save valuable seconds when they get there

Well then I hope you helped where you could and called a paramedic to do the rest.

You hope I helped and called a paramedic? Do you ever actually think before you post?